Was it Church Doctrine to recieve both Body and Blood of Chist?

[Micael]

I am very curious are we not to recieve body and blood of Christ every time we recieve communion?

Also did not Pope Gelasius I specifically, demand that all receive the body and blood of Christ simultaneosly, only to be changed by others? Thus are Popes contadicting each other regarding this church doctrine? Am I wrong. Or is the recieving of the Eucharist mearly a discipline that can me changed at various times?

Leading to my last question: What is the fundimental difference between a disciple and church doctine?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Micael:

I am very curious are we not to recieve body and blood of Christ every time we recieve communion?

Also did not Pope Gelasius I specifically, demand that all receive the body and blood of Christ simultaneosly, only to be changed by others? Thus are Popes contadicting each other regarding this church doctrine? Am I wrong. Or is the recieving of the Eucharist mearly a discipline that can me changed at various times?

Leading to my last question: What is the fundimental difference between a disciple and church doctine?

Micael,

There is a reason that the Pope instructed the people only to receive in one species (i.e. bread) in the past. It is because there was a heresy going around at the time which said you had to receive both the body & the blood in order to receive Christ. I am unaware of what Pope Gelasius I has said or did regarding the subject, but there are different cases for different times.

 

[awalt]

The host is the body and the blood, as is what we drink from the cup. So you get both, whether you do one, the other, or both.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Micael:

I am very curious are we not to recieve body and blood of Christ every time we recieve communion?

Also did not Pope Gelasius I specifically, demand that all receive the body and blood of Christ simultaneosly, only to be changed by others? Thus are Popes contadicting each other regarding this church doctrine? Am I wrong. Or is the recieving of the Eucharist mearly a discipline that can me changed at various times?

Leading to my last question: What is the fundimental difference between a disciple and church doctine?

Doctrine is what we believe and Discipline is how we express that belief. Doctrine does not change. Discipline can depending on the needs of the Church and the people at the time. It does not change very easily or very often however. The Manner of receiving Holy Communion is a discipline and has changed over the centuries.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Here’s why Pope Gelasius ordered you must receive in both kinds. It was to squash another heresy.

Gelasius smoked out the closeted Manichaeans, the heretical dualists who considered themselves Christians and certainly passed for such and were present in Rome in large numbers, it was suspected. Gelasius decreed that the Eucharist had to be received “under both kinds”, with wine as well as bread. As the Manichaeans held wine to be impure and essentially sinful, they would refuse the chalice and thus be recognized. Later, with the Manichaeans suppressed, the old normal method of receiving communion under the form of bread alone returned into vogue.

 

[Micael]

Br. Rich SFO:

Doctrine is what we believe and Discipline is how we express that belief. Doctrine does not change. Discipline can depending on the needs of the Church and the people at the time. It does not change very easily or very often however. The Manner of receiving Holy Communion is a discipline and has changed over the centuries.

Thank you very much Brother. I believe you, however do you have any church document or reference where I can review this concept of discipline in general, and that of the distribution of Holy Communion specifically as a discipline. In other word, is there a defined section of things that can not ever be changed versus that which is changable? You see, I’m not necessarily a skeptic. However, being devil’s advocate. Is it not simple for the church to say they never change doctrine. Yet, if they do change something, it seems they can suddenly just call it a discipline that is changable. There has to be specific documents that decipher this precisely.

Thank you very much, regardless!

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Micael:

Thank you very much Brother. I believe you, however do you have any church document or reference where I can review this concept of discipline in general, and that of the distribution of Holy Communion specifically as a discipline. In other word, is there a defined section of things that can not ever be changed versus that which is changable? You see, I’m not necessarily a skeptic. However, being devil’s advocate. Is it not simple for the church to say they never change doctrine. Yet, if they do change something, it seems they can suddenly just call it a discipline that is changable. There has to be specific documents that decipher this precisely.

Thank you very much, regardless!

The Doctrine, that core set of beliefs that never changes is summarized in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The discipline is found in the Code of Canon Law and all the Rites and Rituals of the Church.

 

[Micael]

Br. Rich SFO:

The Doctrine, that core set of beliefs that never changes is summarized in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The discipline is found in the Code of Canon Law and all the Rites and Rituals of the Church.

Thank you ever so much Br.Rich. So essentially you are saying not only was Gelasius not speaking of unchanging church doctrine, but a specific discipline focused on and for a specific problem of the times…the Manichian heresy. Now, so apparently he was making this statement or disciplinary change, not regarding the entire church per say, but specific to the Latin Church, right? The Manechian issue was not a problem with say the Eastern Church so he made this temporary change to deal a specific problem of his time. He was speaking as the leader of the Latin rite. Not speaking “from the Chair” to the entire church. Thanks again.

 

[Micael]

Br. Rich SFO:

The Doctrine, that core set of beliefs that never changes is summarized in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The discipline is found in the Code of Canon Law and all the Rites and Rituals of the Church.

Thank you ever so much Br.Rich. So essentially you are saying not only was Gelasius not speaking of unchanging church doctrine, but a specific discipline focused on and for a specific problem of the times…the Manichian heresy. Now, so apparently he was making this statement or disciplinary change, not regarding the entire church per say, but specific to the Latin Church, right? The Manechian issue was not a problem with say the Eastern Church so he made this temporary change to deal a specific problem of his time. He was speaking as the leader of the Latin rite. Not speaking “from the Chair” to the entire church. Thanks again.