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Eden
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Was the Church founded by Christ One before the Great Schism?
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masterjedi747
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The short answer is basically yes.
But I really don’t feel like going into the long explanation right now…someone else can.
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malachi_a_serva
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Up until the spilt of the Roman Catholics from the Independant Fundamental Baptists, it was one.
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The_Iambic_Pen
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The funny thing is, I can’t tell if you’re joking or not…Up until the spilt of the Roman Catholics from the Independant Fundamental Baptists, it was one.
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Anonymous_1
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The Iambic Pen:
serva, are you familiar with the Early Church Fathers? I have a questions, when do you propose the Catholic Church split from the Baptists?
The Church was One. There were heresies that branched out from the early Catholic Church like the circumsizors and the Gnostics. The Catholic Church was essentially One until the split of the Church of England from Rome. Even with the seperation of the Church into the East and the West in 1054, it was still one. in the 1500s came the reformation of Luther and Calvin and sicne then Christianity has continued to splinter outside fo the Catholic Church which still persists in being one, holy, catholic and apostolic unlike any other church out there.
No they are not…The funny thing is, I can’t tell if you’re joking or not…
serva, are you familiar with the Early Church Fathers? I have a questions, when do you propose the Catholic Church split from the Baptists?
The Church was One. There were heresies that branched out from the early Catholic Church like the circumsizors and the Gnostics. The Catholic Church was essentially One until the split of the Church of England from Rome. Even with the seperation of the Church into the East and the West in 1054, it was still one. in the 1500s came the reformation of Luther and Calvin and sicne then Christianity has continued to splinter outside fo the Catholic Church which still persists in being one, holy, catholic and apostolic unlike any other church out there.
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Todd_Easton
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This non-Catholic website mentions the major splits in the Church before the Great Schism:
- the Council of Ephesus, 431 AD, where The Assyrian Church of the East became separate from the other bishops of the Church.
- At the Council of Chalcedon, in 459, a disagreement developed between the majority of bishops and the bishops of Ethiopia, Alexandria, Armenia, Syria and India, on describing Christ’s humanity and divinity. These have become known as the Oriental Orthodox Church.
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JSmitty2005
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Have you been reading the Trail of Blood?Up until the spilt of the Roman Catholics from the Independant Fundamental Baptists, it was one.
And yes, the Church was one then and is one now.
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Anonymous_1
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Todd Easton:
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Eden
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Todd Easton:
scborromeo.org/truth/truth.htm
Go down to “Figures” and click on the red square after “The History of the Catholic Church”. I think it is clear, but in any case the green line represents the Catholic Church.
This is from a Catholic site:
scborromeo.org/truth/truth.htm
Go down to “Figures” and click on the red square after “The History of the Catholic Church”. I think it is clear, but in any case the green line represents the Catholic Church.
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Eden
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Does anyone have any comments or objections to this excerpt from the CA Library tract “Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth”?
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0205fr.asp
AN UNBROKEN HISTORY
Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that “a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, “I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)
Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.
Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.
The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.
Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0205fr.asp
AN UNBROKEN HISTORY
Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that “a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, “I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)
Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.
Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.
The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.
Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.
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malachi_a_serva
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The Iambic Pen:
Yes, just kidding.The funny thing is, I can’t tell if you’re joking or not…
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Eden
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You joker! You had me going. Shame on you!
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Anonymous_1
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You joker! You had me going. Shame on you!
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The_Iambic_Pen
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All right.
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itsjustdave1988
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Eden,
What do you mean by “one?”
What do you mean by “one?”
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Eden
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Was the Church founded by Christ one, unified Church or was it a disordered conglomeration of opposing viewpoints and no consistent theology called the Catholic Church?
In two threads, Fredericks has asserted that there is not today nor was there before 1054 one, True, unified visible Church.
But the specific wording of the question was from Iambic Pen who asked this of Fredericks. Unfortunately, his question got buried in the thread and was never addressed.
This thread is meant to be a place to discuss all of this.
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Nicene
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I saw your sig and thought you might like this: The Conglomination TreeUp until the spilt of the Roman Catholics from the Independant Fundamental Baptists, it was one.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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Anonymous_1
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all you need to do is look throught he book of acts to find the answers
“They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers. Awe come upon everyone, and many wonders and signs were done throught he apostles. All who believed were together and had all things in common.” and later…“The community of believers was of one heart and mind”
On matters of doctrine we can see the leaders of the early church gathering together very much like they do today(except today procedure has been formalized) and addressing issues that are facing the Church. We can also see that the gathering of leaders had authority in determing what was right and right belief or doctrine. At the time, Jerusalem was the center of Catholic life.
“The apostles and prebyters met together to see about this matter[circumcision of the Gentiles]”…“Then the aposteles and presbyters, in agreement with the whole church, decided to choose representatives and to send them to Antioch”
“It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namley to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from lood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage.”
It is so clear that the Catholic Church is the true Church.
The dilemma i found myself facing during my conversion was, either the Catholic Church is the One true Church, or there is no true Church. But we can see there is and always was one true Church.
“They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers. Awe come upon everyone, and many wonders and signs were done throught he apostles. All who believed were together and had all things in common.” and later…“The community of believers was of one heart and mind”
On matters of doctrine we can see the leaders of the early church gathering together very much like they do today(except today procedure has been formalized) and addressing issues that are facing the Church. We can also see that the gathering of leaders had authority in determing what was right and right belief or doctrine. At the time, Jerusalem was the center of Catholic life.
“The apostles and prebyters met together to see about this matter[circumcision of the Gentiles]”…“Then the aposteles and presbyters, in agreement with the whole church, decided to choose representatives and to send them to Antioch”
“It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namley to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from lood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage.”
It is so clear that the Catholic Church is the true Church.
The dilemma i found myself facing during my conversion was, either the Catholic Church is the One true Church, or there is no true Church. But we can see there is and always was one true Church.
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Eden
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That is a site great Nicene. The visual of the growing seedling and then strong tree of the Catholic Church is very useful for illustrating the idea of the One True Church. I’m sure that is a resource I will use again and again. Thanks.
Conglomination!
Conglomination!
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malachi_a_serva
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Yes, cute.
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