We are rational because of our brains, not our souls

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Rationality is the quality or state of being reasonable, based on facts or reason. This requires knowledge. Knowledge is structured information and information requires form. Form occupies space. Hence those are our brains which produce reason since soul doesn’t occupy any space.
 
Bahman said:
Rationality is the quality or state of being reasonable, based on facts or reason. This requires knowledge. Knowledge is structured information and information requires form. Form occupies space. Hence those are our brains which produce reason since soul doesn’t occupy any space.
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Does the equation E=mc squared take up space?
 
…The man whose head expanded was corrupted by Mr. Sociological memory.
 
The soul as a principle does not “take up space” (does life take up space?) but it fills your body, not just head, so it’s imprint has the shape of the body. In fact, the soul’s imprint is the body!

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
The soul as a principle does not “take up space” (does life take up space?) but it fills your body, not just head, so it’s imprint has the shape of the body. In fact, the soul’s imprint is the body!

ICXC NIKA
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Soul is spiritual so it cannot take up space.
 
Bahman said:
Rationality is the quality or state of being reasonable, based on facts or reason. This requires knowledge.
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No it doesn’t. That’s like saying that a cup isn’t a cup unless there’s something to fill it up with. No… a cup is a cup is a cup – even if it’s a cup in a vacuum. 😉
Knowledge is structured information and information requires form. Form occupies space. Hence those are our brains which produce reason since soul doesn’t occupy any space.
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You’ve already tried this one, months ago, and had it shot down.

“E=mc[sup]2[/sup]” takes up space? Really? So, then… it didn’t exist until it ‘filled’ space in someone’s brain? So… you’re saying that Einstein invented that equation? Or, rather, isn’t it the case that it always existed… even if it didn’t “take up space” in anyone’s brain…? 😉

In any case, what’s happening in your brain (or not happening) is only a representation, not the ‘information’ itself. If you see five trees and think “five!”, there’s not a little number five in your brain that pops up (making spatial requirements on your cranium).
 
Bahman said:
Soul is spiritual so it cannot take up space.
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I would not agree with this in a sense. Information can be contained within energy ie: wifi. light.

Our brains and bodies contain energy and such could in any form possible hold information we can not perceive. It is theoretically possible that the energy within your brain has the info stored, and that even without your brain that energy still exists in a form. If that energy were capable of sentience then you could have a pure energy spirit with knowledge. Energy is a thing and within creation so essentially takes up space.
 
Bahman said:
Rationality is the quality or state of being reasonable, based on facts or reason.
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What is reason? To Thomists, rationality is the ability to abstract universals.
This requires knowledge. Knowledge is structured information and information requires form.Form occupies space. Hence those are our brains which produce reason since soul doesn’t occupy any space.
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Define form, and then define information, and then explain the difference between structured and unstructured information, please 👍

Your claims are too vague: I can’t understand them 😃

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Gorgias said:
No it doesn’t. That’s like saying that a cup isn’t a cup unless there’s something to fill it up with. No… a cup is a cup is a cup – even if it’s a cup in a vacuum. 😉
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I don’t understand how your analogy is related to this discussion.
Gorgias said:
You’ve already tried this one, months ago, and had it shot down.

“E=mc[sup]2[/sup]” takes up space? Really? So, then… it didn’t exist until it ‘filled’ space in someone’s brain? So… you’re saying that Einstein invented that equation? Or, rather, isn’t it the case that it always existed… even if it didn’t “take up space” in anyone’s brain…? 😉
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Yes. Any thing that you know is stored in a complex array of neurons. You recall something when when a specific set of neurons fire.
Gorgias said:
In any case, what’s happening in your brain (or not happening) is only a representation, not the ‘information’ itself. If you see five trees and think “five!”, there’s not a little number five in your brain that pops up (making spatial requirements on your cranium).
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No it is information. Suppose you look at something. Photons (information) emitted from the object and hit retina in your eyes. Retina produces electric pulse (information) which is send to brain. This pulse is processed in the brain and produce what we call vision. That is the whole story.
 
I don’t understand how your comment is related to mine, but anyway.
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I would not agree with this in a sense. Information can be contained within energy ie: wifi. light.
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That I agree. Information can be transfered by electromagnetic field which has specific form.
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Our brains and bodies contain energy and such could in any form possible hold information we can not perceive. It is theoretically possible that the energy within your brain has the info stored, and that even without your brain that energy still exists in a form. If that energy were capable of sentience then you could have a pure energy spirit with knowledge. Energy is a thing and within creation so essentially takes up space.
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Information is stored through wiring inside our brain. We deal with a specific brain function when a set of neurons fire.
 
Bahman said:
No it is information. Suppose you look at something. Photons (information) emitted from the object and hit retina in your eyes. Retina produces electric pulse (information) which is send to brain. This pulse is processed in the brain and produce what we call vision. That is the whole story.
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Photons are not information in the sense that universals like numbers are information. You are confusing sensory information with conceptual information. Concepts are immaterial, since matter is the principle that allows for particulars, and universals are normally not particular.

Here’s another question, what is physical? If rationally is merely physical, what does it mean to be physical?

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Bahman said:
I don’t understand how your comment is related to mine, but anyway.

That I agree. Information can be transfered by electromagnetic field which has specific form.

Information is stored through wiring inside our brain. We deal with a specific brain function when a set of neurons fire.
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Hiw we currently can deal with it yes in how nuerons fire, but would you deny the POSSIBILITY that the info could be held within the energy within us? That essentially in a way we currently cannot access or see?

I would say it is like the fact that our brain runs on electric, logically I should maybe be able to use electrical signals to interect with my bodies atoms and change say the electron count in my fingertips like rubbbing a pen on your hair and subsequently “magnestize” my hand to pick up pieces of paper as the pen trick works? We cannot do this now. But it is conceivable, therefore once we break that simplistic plain, how about interacting via energy to affect atoms in general? Water to wine etc? Now keep apllying such thought up to spirit form humans who can do much?
 
Bahman said:
I don’t understand how your analogy is related to this discussion.
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Your premise is that rationality requires knowledge: therefore, no knowledge = no rationality. That’s like saying that a cup is not a cup unless it contains contents. (In other words, I’m asking you to try again, because your premise is faulty. 😉 )
Yes. Any thing that you know is stored in a complex array of neurons. You recall something when when a specific set of neurons fire.
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So, you’re claiming that ‘knowledge’ is physical? OK, then: what’s its shape? its weight? its color? (Again, faulty premise.)
No it is information. Suppose you look at something. Photons (information) emitted from the object and hit retina in your eyes. Retina produces electric pulse (information) which is send to brain. This pulse is processed in the brain and produce what we call vision. That is the whole story.
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Photons are not information; they’re energy. They may be interpreted as information, but they’re not information itself, so to speak.

Moreover, vision is not “produced”, it is the interpretative conclusion of a mind that takes in light and attempts to process it.
 
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