We cannot understand free will

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  1. Free will is the ability to choose one option among at lease two options
  2. Assume that we are cognitively open to free will
  3. This means that given the options one can precisely know the outcome our decisions
  4. This means that our decisions are like outcome of a function
  5. This means that our decisions are not free
 
You didn’t actually demonstrate or prove assertion 3, merely stated it. Everything after that is a gigantic, unfounded leap.
 
Bahman said:
(3) follows from (2) because we can know how free will works.
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No, we don’t. For all we know, it’s all a mirage.

But the fact that even assuming that freewill is a mirage, we can **act as though **it is real, suggests that some form of freedom, however minimized, is really there.

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Tomdstone said:
I don’t see how 3 necessarily follows from 2.
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I am sorry there was a mistype in (3). Please see the following argument.
  1. Free will is the ability to choose one option among at lease two options
  2. Assume that we are cognitively open to free will
  3. This means that given the options one can precisely know our decisions
  4. This means that our decisions are like outcome of a function
  5. This means that our decisions are not free
 
I think I’m experiencing deja vu. Haven’t we seen this question before? A few times.
 
Bahman said:
I am sorry there was a mistype in (3). Please see the following argument.
  1. Free will is the ability to choose one option among at lease two options
  2. Assume that we are cognitively open to free will
  3. This means that given the options one can precisely know our decisions
  4. This means that our decisions are like outcome of a function
  5. This means that our decisions are not free
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5 does not follow from 4 because the function could be the free will function.
 
Tomdstone said:
That is your unproven assumption.
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You cannot be free if your decision is functional, meaning that you get the (name removed by moderator)uts and calculate the output using a function. We are different from a robot.
 
Doesn’t the very definition of the term “free will” entail that the choice is optional?

What you are arguing is that compulsion isn’t free.

Um…yeah - we know.
 
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