Weep for Ireland's unborn babies

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Results in in exit poll from y’day’s referendum on abortion show a huge lead for the yes option.

Weep for Ireland. For the 5.000 aborted babies already killed each year
 
The same has been done in Norn; women have gone to the UK for abortions and last year Scotland opened its doors to Norn women for free abortion.

When the legislation here is in place, there will be abortion freely available for any reason up to 12 weeks . The US research apparently proves that the foetus feels no pain at that stage
I post on boards.ie and the threads on this have been an education I would rather not have had, The organisation is so pro -abortion that anyone speaking for life against abortion got banned. In effect they intend to have sex whenever and refuse to take responsibility for the resulting pregnancy. Life has no value except theirs. A foetus is just a bunch of cells of no value. And above all you are NOT ALLOWED to call it a baby, So abortion is not killing
 
A further anomaly of course is that abortion is freely available in the UK… and they hate the Church here now. Really hate it.
 
If I might ask Jharek, are you aware of public feeling in Northern Ireland (i.e. polls or anecdotal)? What is the general viewpoint over there concerning abortion? Do you think they will go the way of the Republic?

Kind of ironic that the part of Ireland still under British sovereignty is the one where there has been the last hold-out of religiosity, given the situation in the Republic and mainland Britain.

I read today that at Stormont, a majority of politicians do not favour the radical law changes now proposed in their neighbouring country. So, that at least is one significant difference with the South - I just wonder where the actual body politic, the voters, are at. Are they pro-choice or do a significant number agree with their elected representatives in parliament?

I’m assuming that they probably back reform, unfortunately, although I’ve read polling data in the past indicating that a majority of NI voters support abortion legalization in the anomalous cases of rape, incest, threat to mother’s life or well-being and fetal abnormality which means they won’t survive past birth, but not for abortion otherwise.
 
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I am entirely heartbroken today. I cannot believe that once Catholic Ireland has voted to legalise abortion by such a large majority. I prayed and prayed to Our Lord and Our Blessed Mother that this outcome would not prevail. I feel that Heaven is silent.

There is a change in the grassroots of the Catholic Church in Ireland. Many of the laity are advocating the pro-choice view that while they may oppose abortion, gay ‘marriage’ etc, that they have no right to impose that view on others. Traditional Catholic teaching is seen as a nice ideal but not reflective of the real world and needs to be shelved. I am a member of the Pastoral Council also and at our last meeting other members were saying that Christ’s words on marriage are ‘unrealistic’. This was backed up by the two priests present. Many are quoting Amoris Laetitia by stating that as long as we do our best and our intentions are noble, that what we choose to do is okay and that God forgives us anyway. I am torn and feel like leaving the Church as I feel that it no longer represents Christ’s teaching.

Many of those who voted to legalise abortion yesterday, will be at Mass tomorrow receiving Holy Communion, will have their children baptised (the ones that are allowed to be born) and will want to get married in the Church. Why?? If they reject the teaching of the Church why do they remain a part? Forgive me if I come across as self righteous or judgemental. I have sinned greatly but I am just heartbroken. The Church here in Ireland said very little about unborn babies right to life. Even the Association of Catholic Priests issued the following statement in the run up to the referendum. i found it incredulous.


Only one of our local curates upheld the Church’s teaching on abortion. The rest remained silent. In our parish now, our clergy are saying that we have to accept couples in second relationships, homosexual partnerships and individuals choice to choose abortion and not deny them the Eucharist as ‘who are we to judge’. This is a sad, sad day for Ireland and all we are seeing is ‘rejoicing’ in the streets. I am so disheartened.
 
This ‘who are we to judge’ line is a sign of great cowardice in the church.

Taken to its logical conclusion it would wipe out everything that Jesus and the church have had to say over the last 2000 years.

Please stick with the church and strengthen like minded brothers and sisters.
 
Sending you (((HUGS)))

Every time the Church tried to speak out ( and ACP are not the church) they got shouted down about especially Tuam, And to that we have no answer. The wind was sown and this is the whirlwind. I am doubly shocked though by what you write, re the Church not standing by our teachings. The buzz word in other denoms was always “inclusive” and now it has come to the Catholic Church? The “God loves everyone” passport to do whatever you like? And no teaching? One Irish quality that we value is the kindness to everyone and that is what this is.
 
Are you here in Ireland? It is very different and very difficult here. The storm hitting now has been brewing a long time.

I have felt for a while that Pope Francis needs to give the country a good telling off when he visits later in the year. A really good shouting out. Get them back on track
 
I haven’t been in Ireland for a long time Rosebud. What would you like pope Francis to say when he tells you all off? 🙂
 
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Oh I am sure he knows. And that that is why he has not come before.He is a caring man and must have been lacerated by recent events and revelations. BTW they brought the abortion referendum forward to get it in before he came.
Rushed it through with indecent haste
A side issue; he has announced he will visit Br Kevin;s Capucin Day Centre. Br Kevin is over 80 and has given his life to tending the poor and homeless in the simplest and most effacing of ways. He had an article online . Saying he is the CEO of the Capucin Day Centre and his salary is zero. The other homless charities have CEOs taking huge pay. I met Br Kevin years back and he is a lovely person.

But yes a good bracing telling off to get the Church back on track
 
Hi Rosebud77

I am just looking at the data breakdown of yes voters. 68% identify as Catholic and about 65% attend Church services regularly, not just funerals, weddings etc. I’m sure many of them will go to see Pope Francis in August when he visits but why?? I love Br. Kevin. People like him give me hope.
 
Did not see those figures. Quite appalling. Yet this is what I have seen here. Many years ago I was talking to a man outside the Friary at rossnowlagh when the fuss re same sex marriage was starting. " Oh let them get married!" he proclaimed. No idea re Church teaching on this; seems that stops after confirmation? After the same sex marriage referendum, I was at my market stall and spoke about it with 2 women, One had voted in favour as,“God wants everyone to be happy”. The other told me that for the first time in her life she had not voted as she could not reconcile the 2 sides. Both had gay sons . Love of people above love of God? When I was posting about the abortion issues I got called hard and uncaring. The referendum has been fought and won on sympathy for the women who "cannot go though with a pregnancy " or simply do not want to have a baby but find they are pregnant . Just simply do not want. And they decide that a 12 week old foetus is not a baby so does not matter, so remove it. There needs basic church teaching after confirmation. The 2 great commandments in the correct order. It is working out at about 66%v 33 % at the end here. Mayo is the best
 
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There’ll be worse days ahead than this.

2 Timothy 3:1

“But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.”
 
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These are not the last days; we have a long long way to go yet, and much more to suffer.
 
Disagree fully and totally my dear,

Back t o Ireland please? Thank you.
 
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