What traditionalists believe and why

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If a Traditionalist calls him / herself that simply because s/he loves the Tridentine Mass but accepts the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the teachings of the Holy Father, etc., there is no problem. Indeed there might be a great movement. However, if they separate from Rome, as many do, then they are as far from the truth at their end as are liberals at their end. See tcrnews2.com/wanbk.html for more on the latter.
 
I guess the difference would be in Traditionalist vs traditionalist. Notice the capital t. A Traditionalist is one who submits to the Tradition of the Church, ie doctrines and dogmas, and therefore the Magisterium and the current Pope. A traditionalist is someone who clings to the customs, ceremonies, and disciplines of the Church. Since Tradition is part of the sacred Deposit of Faith, I consider myself and most orthodox, devout Catholics to be Traditionalist, even if you attend the Novus Ordo. If you are a traditionalist, you pick your favorite customs and then denounce the ones you don’t like, claiming that the Tridentine Mass is the only legitimate one, or subscribing to only the Novus Ordo. The traditionalist is the catch all word for anyone who prefers customs over doctrine. Since Christ denounced anyone who prefers traditions over the Word of God, people who subvert Tradition to tradition usually find themselves on the wrong side of the salvation equation. For me, the Word of God reigns supreme to the particular species of litergy.
 
Those who reject Vatican II and the Pope John Paul II cannot rightly be called “Traditionalists”. DONATISTS is a more fitting label.Donatism is an ancient heresy that states that the Sacraments performed by a sinfull or immoral cleric are invalid. These new Donatists accuse the Council and the Popes of serious sins against the Faith and draw the same conclusion as their ancient predecessors, Its all become invalid. I have read it more than once on one of their websites as I am sure you guys have. “The Novus Ordo is invalid” they say.

DONATISM. An Ancient heresy has reared its ugly head and Seeks to divide the Church.
 
I’ve heard that most ecumenical councils have been followed by a swing of the pendulum to one extreme or the other, followed by a return to the center. Vatican II is no exception. Certainly it seemed to fall into a “perfect storm” pattern, liberalizing many aspects of the Church just as the 60’s radicals were revolutionizing many aspects of society. And I don’t miss some of the flaky “folk Masses” we were subjected to in the 70’s.

But there is now a noticeable return to the center. I know of some parishes where the revised liturgy is celebrated every bit as solemnly as in the “old days.” Now we are hearing complaints from the old timers about the new “young fogeys” coming out of the seminaries. I think that Vatican II is beginning to have its intended effect. We get excited about the last 30 or 40 years of tumult, but what is 30 years in the life of the Church?

From what I’ve seen on this very forum, the Church is NOT going to hell in a handbasket. It has renewed vitality. I for one would not wish to go back.

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Why aren’t people who believe in the primacy of Jesus’ message considered the traditionalists?

If we try to live by treating the least as they may be Jesus, isn’t that the closest to being traditional? I realize that it is a simple idea and idealist, but isn’t that the result that Jesus was seeking from His ministry?

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Those who reject Vatican II and the Pope John Paul II cannot rightly be called “Traditionalists”. DONATISTS is a more fitting label.Donatism is an ancient heresy that states that the Sacraments performed by a sinfull or immoral cleric are invalid. These new Donatists accuse the Council and the Popes of serious sins against the Faith and draw the same conclusion as their ancient predecessors, Its all become invalid. I have read it more than once on one of their websites as I am sure you guys have. “The Novus Ordo is invalid” they say.

DONATISM. An Ancient heresy has reared its ugly head and Seeks to divide the Church.
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First, let me point out that vatican II’s OFFICIAL Sixteen Documents are great. Howeevr, ONLY if followed at the foot of the letter, not every priest’s personal interpretation and personal whims. That being said, it was not, nor was it ever to be meant to be a DOGMATIC!!! COUNCIL, in the fashion of Trent(Trent too is quolted in Vatican II and the NEW Catechism), but rather was pastoral. NOW, the POPE: A Catholic is bound to obey what the Pope says ONLY if he says it EX-Cathedra(from the Chair of the Pope of infallibility) This Pope has not pronounced ONE single thing as dogmatic YET. also, his encyclicals, are to be listened to and obeyed. However, if the Pope is talking about pasta, and that he loves it, must then ALL catholics love pasta too because the Pope says its good?
Love of the Pope and Union with him is a must. however, let’s not forget a saint Catherine of Sienna, and a St. Robert Bellarmine(both proclaimed doctors of the church) who offten disagreed with the Pope on certain opinions of his.
 
What I have run into is this: the people that refer to themsevles as traditionalists do follow the teachings of the Church and are faithful to the Pope. The more liberals tend to be those that think the Church is supposed to keep up with the times and secular trends. But then, I am from a conservative area of the midwest.

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What I have run into is this: the people that refer to themsevles as traditionalists do follow the teachings of the Church and are faithful to the Pope.
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That is what you will find describes the majority of folks here who refer to themselves as traditionalists (moi)

But you will find a few that do following the teachings of the Church - up to about 1965 and who claim to be faithful to the pope - EXCEPT for anything that reflects Vatican II;)

You will on this forum, and any Catholic forum, run in to extremists on both side of the track who have become derailed - it’s usually pretty easy to tell those on track from those who are not though.
 
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