Why can't Lutherans accept the Eucharist as a RC mass?

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Thank you for sharing that, but I will follow my church’s discipline which says not to (just like, if I were Orthodox, I would not receive from a Catholic priest).
It is a personal choice especially when the pastor invites all baptized Christians who accept the Real Presence to take holy Communion. In the case of my receiving holy Communion in Catholic churches, my daughter-in-law’s priest welcomes me to partake and I do.
 
It is a personal choice especially when the pastor invites all baptized Christians who accept the Real Presence to take holy Communion. In the case of my receiving holy Communion in Catholic churches, my daughter-in-law’s priest welcomes me to partake and I do.
And your daughter-in-law’s priest is following the teaching and dictates of the RCC, when doing that? It would, that is, be approved by his local diocesan bishop, if it were brought to his attention?

GKC
 
Lutherans cannot take the Eucharist at an RC church, nor can an RC accept the Eucharist at one of our confessional Lutheran churches.

That is because we are divided on the real presence. We both believe in it, but disagree as to “how” the real presence is well present. RC goes with Transubstantiation, that only the accidents of bread and wine remain post consecration. Lutherans go with sacramental union, that bread wine, and Jesus body and blood are present, but without the substance/accidents division.

We are also divided on other things, such as justification, sanctification, purgatory, the power and primacy of the pope etc. Taking communion means you are in communion with that particular church. Communion means you are in unity, that is total agreement with all doctrine. Since Lutherans and Catholics are not in total agreement, it’s better that our tables remain separate for now. It may even be that our tables remain separate until the Second Coming. That would be unfortunate, but I am not willing to compromise one bit on any issue of doctrine. And I would never want anyone else, especially the RC to compromise any of their doctrine for the sake of unity. That would be doing both of us a disservice.
Well said and Amen.
Mary.
 
And your daughter-in-law’s priest is following the teaching and dictates of the RCC, when doing that? It would, that is, be approved by his local diocesan bishop, if it were brought to his attention?

GKC
I know the policy of the Catholic diocese of my son/ daughter-in-law states that Lutherans and Episcopalians can take holy Communion under special circumstances. The priest knows we believe essentially if not entirely the Catholic faith of the Church of Rome. I know where Lutherans get permission ahead of time from the bishops office. This has been the custom for many years.
 
I know the policy of the Catholic diocese of my son/ daughter-in-law states that Lutherans and Episcopalians can take holy Communion under special circumstances. The priest knows we believe essentially if not entirely the Catholic faith of the Church of Rome. I know where Lutherans get permission ahead of time from the bishops office. This has been the custom for many years.
Fascinating. This would be accounted special circumstances, then?

I am, of course, familiar with the near-death and other grave necessity phrasing in Canon 844, para 4.

GKC
 
Fascinating. This would be accounted special circumstances, then?

I am, of course, familiar with the near-death and other grave necessity phrasing in Canon 844, para 4.

GKC
I posted the policy of the Long Island/ Rockville diocese several months ago and recall that holy Communion would be offered under emergency circumstances and at the discretion of the bishop. That diocesan policy goes back 20 years before the Joint Declaration on Justification.
 
I posted the policy of the Long Island/ Rockville diocese several months ago and recall that holy Communion would be offered under emergency circumstances and at the discretion of the bishop. That diocesan policy goes back 20 years before the Joint Declaration on Justification.
That would seem in accord with Canon 844.

And your case is an emergency? Or specifically has the bishop’s approval?

GKC
 
That would seem in accord with Canon 844.

And your case is an emergency? Or specifically has the bishop’s approval?

GKC
I have never asked the Catholic priest who has been my in-law’s pastor for most of their lives. I have also been at several retreat Eucharists [Cursillo, for example] w/ Lutheran, Episcopal and Catholic.

Without getting too off the point, I follow the teachings/ writings of Berthold Von Schenk, the pastor of the parochial school I attended. I believe, Von Schenk eventually left the Missouri Synod. We are likely all accustom to eucharistic preaching; Fr Von Schenk “lived” the Mass in a sacramental expression that impressed even a young kid like me, at the time. Von Schenk believed that all Christians are united in the Sacrament and didn’t much worry over if the person understood the Real Presence.
 
I have never asked the Catholic priest who has been my in-law’s pastor for most of their lives. I have also been at several retreat Eucharists [Cursillo, for example] w/ Lutheran, Episcopal and Catholic.

Without getting too off the point, I follow the teachings/ writings of Berthold Von Schenk, the pastor of the parochial school I attended. I believe, Von Schenk eventually left the Missouri Synod. We are likely all accustom to eucharistic preaching; Fr Von Schenk “lived” the Mass in a sacramental expression that impressed even a young kid like me, at the time. Von Schenk believed that all Christians are united in the Sacrament and didn’t much worry over if the person understood the Real Presence.
You’ve never asked?

Fascinating.

GKC
 
It is a personal choice especially when the pastor invites all baptized Christians who accept the Real Presence to take holy Communion. In the case of my receiving holy Communion in Catholic churches, my daughter-in-law’s priest welcomes me to partake and I do.
Yes, I don’t deny that I’ve encountered Catholics who have received at Anglican or Lutheran parishes, Orthodox who have received at Catholic parishes, and what-not. What I’m saying is that I follow my Church’s rules.
 
Yes, I don’t deny that I’ve encountered Catholics who have received at Anglican or Lutheran parishes, Orthodox who have received at Catholic parishes, and what-not. What I’m saying is that I follow my Church’s rules.
Not a bad idea.

GKC
 
Anglicans and most Lutherans invite all who believe/ have been baptized into the Real Presence.
Do recall that word “motley”. The old standard in TEC, of those baptized and confirmed, by a bishop in apostolic succession, can still be found operative, here and there. Most/some/many are useful modifiers.

But sure, if one is following the rules, of those who set the rules, one is following the rules they set.

I’m not sure an open invitation to receive is intended by Canon 844.

GKC
 
Yes, I don’t deny that I’ve encountered Catholics who have received at Anglican or Lutheran parishes, Orthodox who have received at Catholic parishes, and what-not. What I’m saying is that I follow my Church’s rules.
Not a bad idea.

GKC
Well thank you GKC. 🙂

I’ve spent a fair amount of time thinking about such things, because I’ve met a number of my fellow Catholics (some Latin Catholic, some Greek Catholic or Oriental Catholic, but mostly on the Internet) who encourage Orthodox to receive in Catholic parishes, and some of whom get upset when it is pointed out that the Orthodox Church doesn’t allow that.
 
Well thank you GKC. 🙂

I’ve spent a fair amount of time thinking about such things, because I’ve met a number of my fellow Catholics (some Latin Catholic, some Greek Catholic or Oriental Catholic, but mostly on the Internet) who encourage Orthodox to receive in Catholic parishes, and some of whom get upset when it is pointed out that the Orthodox Church doesn’t allow that.
You’re welcome. It seems not a difficult idea to grasp, but apparently it is, to some.

I match the RC position quite nicely, as to the nature of the Eucharist, per Trent, and a few other things. I would not seek to presume, maneuver, or otherwise circumvent around/over/under the teachings of the RCC on reception, in order to receive at their altar what they and I both believe is found there. T’ain’t fitting.

I have my own place. They have their own rules. I respect them.

GKC
 
You’re welcome. It seems not a difficult idea to grasp, but apparently it is, to some.

I match the RC position quite nicely, as to the nature of the Eucharist, per Trent, and a few other things. I would not seek to presume, maneuver, or otherwise circumvent around/over/under the teachings of the RCC on reception, in order to receive at their altar what they and I both believe is found there. T’ain’t fitting.

I have my own place. They have their own rules. I respect them.

GKC
Oh come on, GKC. Following the rules of the church body you belong to or seek to commune with? Why, that’s so dreadfully conservative and Christian. Get with the times man! Don’t you know these are the days when all that boring stuff is relative and meaningless? It’s all about love. 😃
 
Anglicans and most Lutherans invite all who believe/ have been baptized into the Real Presence.
Yet this is not what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, AFAIK. Please correct me if I’m mistaken, because it seems an awful lot like you’re implying the opposite to be true.
 
They may be allowed to in the point of view of the Catholics under certain conditions, like not being able to have access to an Orthodox church, but generally the Orthodox will not commune Catholics. Canon Law is more specific on this.
I know the Orthodox won’t. But Catholics will commune Orthodox even though the Orthodox are separate from Rome. So simply saying Lutherans are separate, therefore, they can’t receive, doesn’t seem to answer the question because it dies the death of other qualifications.
However, the reason why it is permitted under those circumstances is because the Orthodox have valid Apostolic Succession, thus valid Sacraments. Though the Churches are in schism, Apostolic Succession was not broken and the priests and Bishops are validly ordained.
This would make sense from the standpoint of a Catholic not receiving in a Lutheran church because you don’t believe it’s a valid sacrament. I don’t know if this quite answers reception, though? I mean, why would it matter whether the Lutheran’s home pastor is validly ordained as to whether the Lutheran can receive?

As a caveat, I am not challenging what the CC does here, as I agree with accepting all of the church’s beliefs before reception. I am trying to understand the CC position better, given it’s other exceptions to the rule.
 
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