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EvangelCatholic
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Please cite your source that a Lutheran receiving holy Communion in a Catholic Church would exacerbate sin! In order words, when Lutherans commune outside our church Christ is damning us!
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angelic06
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I am seriously curious:
why is there such a big push to commune with those whom you do not agree with in spirit?
This mindset is foreign to Catholic teaching. Does not St. Paul teach that there should be no dissension among you?
Does Holy Communion mean nothing at all, or does it mean that one who receives Holy “Communion” is actually in communion with the “communion” (church) wherein it is offered?
why is there such a big push to commune with those whom you do not agree with in spirit?
This mindset is foreign to Catholic teaching. Does not St. Paul teach that there should be no dissension among you?
Does Holy Communion mean nothing at all, or does it mean that one who receives Holy “Communion” is actually in communion with the “communion” (church) wherein it is offered?
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benjohnson
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I understand your frustration - if Catholics can commune the sinfull Nancy Pelosi, then why not a penitent Lutheran.
But it’s not up to us to decide for them - they’ve asked us to not do this and we should obey this reasonable request. The prohibition is also to protect the Catholic Priests as well - to remove all doubt of sin - there’s many bible passages that indicated that He will judge His ministers severely.
And even then, permission can be granted by a Catholic Bishop. Frankly, it’s not that hard to get permission.
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SyroMalankara
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You seem to have missed the point, the entire theology in your statement shows what Catholics believe to be theological error.
According to Catholicism: There is only one Church, which subsists in and is visibly the Catholic Church. You are separated from that body, seemingly not by force, but by your own choice. According to that one Church, there is a Sacrament instituted by Christ called Holy Confession, by which the absolved penitent is reconciled to Christ and His Church to be able to recieve Eucharist (Who is fully, body, blood, soul, and divinity Christ) in a worthy manner. You haven’t been reconciled by Christ with His Sacrament within the Church, and probably (seemingly, by being a member of another faith group) do not accept the authority by which this reconciliation is accomplished. Therefore, it is very likely you are not reconciled Sacramentally, which is another barrier to recieving Eucharist - even for Catholics.
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EvangelCatholic
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You have your own opinion but fail to provide documentation that would support your position. Some posters are not familiar with their own Church’s stance or perhaps you did not read this thread completely.
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MaryT777
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It’s a getting old to hear you preach on Evangel Catholic about how Lutherans can
receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church. We have had a priest post to you as to why not and I agree with Father your posts are now deceptive.
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receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church. We have had a priest post to you as to why not and I agree with Father your posts are now deceptive.
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EvangelCatholic
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Sorry you feel that I am a deceiver. Clearly there are differences of opinion within the Roman Catholic Church and when the Vatican authorizes things like the Joint Declaration of Justification, Catholics would be wise to acquaint themselves with their own Church’s position.
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GKC
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When the RCC changes, formally, and within the Magisterium, the discipline of who may receive at RCC altars, you will, I hope, let all know.Sorry you feel that I am a deceiver. Clearly there are differences of opinion within the Roman Catholic Church and when the Vatican authorizes things like the Joint Declaration of Justification, Catholics would be wise to acquaint themselves with their own Church’s position.
Until then, there is no change in their Church’s position on that subject.
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benjohnson
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There’s a whole bunch of different opinion in the Catholic Church - but frankly, there’s only one teaching in the Catholic Church as far as this topic is concerned.
Not to cause scandal - but Catholics have communed in my church with express permission from both sides (Lutheran and Catholic) for the baptism of my third child where the sponsors (Godparents) were Catholic.
And I’ve communed (by express invitation) in a Catholic church in Western France.
Inteer-communion does happen - but the situations are special and unique, and proper authorization should be asked or an invitation should be given before partaking in something that is clearly off limits.
For next years Pro-Life rally, I prepared a request to the local Catholic Bishop to commune at the Mass before hand - I expect to be politely declined, and I will accept that decision with the love and care it was given.
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Now that you know the expectations of the Catholic church, you should respect them enough as fellow Christians to heed their teaching.
I’m curious - do you visit other faiths and violate their rules? Would you consider it appropriate to violate Taoist, Sikh, and Islamic traditions and rules?
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EvangelCatholic
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When I read the responses from some posters I wonder if I am living on another planet 
I can’t believe that my experience/ family composition is all that different than many Christians. My hunch is that intercommunion is a lot more common than some are aware of. As a Lutheran who has taken holy Communion with many other non-Lutheran Christians, especially Roman Catholics and Episcopalians, I have been blessed by our mutual confession of faith and union with the Real Presence of Christ.
I am currently reading Monsignor Radano’s book, ‘Lutheran and Catholic Reconciliation on Justification’ and hope to gain further insight into the issue of intercommunion.
I can’t believe that my experience/ family composition is all that different than many Christians. My hunch is that intercommunion is a lot more common than some are aware of. As a Lutheran who has taken holy Communion with many other non-Lutheran Christians, especially Roman Catholics and Episcopalians, I have been blessed by our mutual confession of faith and union with the Real Presence of Christ.I am currently reading Monsignor Radano’s book, ‘Lutheran and Catholic Reconciliation on Justification’ and hope to gain further insight into the issue of intercommunion.
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SyroMalankara
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That statement may be true, but incomplete. Catholics ‘officially’ believe they confess it completely and truly, but Lutherans incompletely and with limited understanding.
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EvangelCatholic
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You may want to read at least some of the 50 years of dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics; though lengthy, the documents reveal remarkable convergence in belief with recommendations that will likely surprise you, as I was.
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SyroMalankara
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When will Lutherans agree with each other on ministry, and what “Lutheranism” actually means? This will decide how the Catholic “dialogue” will lead. Historical Lutherans in Sweden and parts of Germany still retain the Apostolic Episcopate and no female clergy. Not so in the USA and the rest of Europe. The majority of Lutherans in the USA do not view the office of Bishop as anything permanent, just as a supervisory pastor on term limits. As to these “recommendations”, they are from a Dialogue committee, which from a Catholics standpoint are simply suggestions and nothing official.
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EvangelCatholic
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Agree, to some extent. Without re-reading this entire thread, I believe there are citations related to the office of the ministry that point out how Catholics could accept a Lutheran pastor not ordained in Apostolic Succession as an example of historic circumstance. But, overwhelmingly, Lutherans have or have reclaimed episcopacy/ AS; the reason may very well be to due to the Lutheran-Catholic Dialogue including that Lutherans accept the papacy and Magisterium. Ordination of women is addressed in these Dialogues as an issue that needs more time for reflection.
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EvangelCatholic
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I disagree; it is not simple to be a Christian. We are forced to accept our own misgivings and ask for forgiveness. This is a theme throughout the Dialogues. Those that require black and white answers are frustrated but the process of reunion is much more important than egos.
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steido01
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Actually, it’s those “historical” Lutherans who are “ordaining” women. In fact, I think it’s fair to say that those “historic” bodies only claim to the Lutheran moniker is the "historic fact that they were once Lutheran in their confession. The pluralism permitted in their thinking today is anything but Lutheran.
While most Confessional Lutherans did not rigidly maintain AS throughout the centuries, they will never depart from what the church catholic has always taught regarding who can be ordained.
Anyone can call themselves ‘Lutheran.’ Indeed, look how many Calvinists and general American Evangelicals attempt to claim him as theirs. But the true measure of a Lutheran can be found in their adherence to the Lutheran Confessional documents. If they don’t subscribe to the Book of Concord because they believe it to be a [the] true understanding of Scripture and the Faith, they are not Lutheran.
I think Rome has noticed this, and that’s why we’re seeing dialogue shift toward more Confessional bodies and away from the “historic” churches as they wade deeper and deeper into pluralism and generic Protestantism.
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Stilldreamn
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Trying to force the situation (unity) reminds me of Rebekah tying pelts to Jacob’s hands to persuade Isaac that Jacob was really Esau. Maybe we ought to tend our own tables, and wait on the Holy Spirit to lead us to unity instead of “tying a pelt on it”.
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