CatHicks said:
^ True. I wasn’t sure how else to phrase the question.
Anyone else have an answer/opinions?
I would reread the parables of the sower, there are 2 of them.
The other is to go through the prophets of the old testament and see the analogous situations that are common to them with regards those who go their own way. God protected the remnants who remained faithful and marched through history to bring about the Christ. God didn’t abandon those who left, they abandoned God. The remnants stayed true and on course.
In the current age it really hasn’t changed. God protects the church while it continually marches towards the end of the age while people go their own way. As God didn’t abandon the faithful of Isreal, He also doesn’t abandon the faithful of the church.
Man is still man. Suppose that protestantism never occurred, would the church be perfect? The answer is no. In the parable of the sower the world has traditionally been seen as the church. The church is attacked from without and within, a man sews bad seed (from without) among the good. They grow up together (from within) Verse 41 says that Christ will gather out of his kingdom all those who sin and are evildoers. V38 says the good seed are the sons of the kingdom. As v41 says the evil will be gathered out of the kingdom and the kingdom is the good seed, that means there will be evil that attacks from within.
People who have the perfect panacea picture of the people of the church aren’t hearing what Christ said, they are thinking wordly. That church (meaning only good people would be in it) never existed, and was never promised, even the apostolic epistles attest to this. It is naive to believe otherwise. But the worse sin is schism. Istead of being part of the faithful remnant, they leave. (A lot of catholics though, inside, are in for a big surprise when Christ comes too.)
(This typically adresses those who abandon the faith, not those who through ignorance don’t know any better. In other words those who were brought up under the umbrella of error aren’t responsible for the errors of their fathers. This is a whole other area though: availing or not of graces, contrition etc.)
The perfect example of the parable is the 12 apostles. Judas would be considered a weed in the church. He was attacked from outside (Satan) yet so was Peter, but Peter saught forgiveness.
Just my 2 cents.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene