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Kristopher
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PLEASE: Support the Center for Bioethical Reform at abortionno.org, thank you!
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trustmc
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I have not bought any, but this doesn’t mean I don’t support the prolife cause. I don’t think it is necessary to show others gruesome pictures of aborted infants. I think this approach is counter productive, and that well-reasoned and well-articulated arguments win over converts in greater numbers.
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m134e5
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When you post links, and they include graphic pictures, WARN US!!!
. If they just look like they might, but they don’t, tell us. I hate to be rude, but people just don’t seem to get that they need to warn sensitive people. Some of us do eat while at the computer you know…
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Lonevoice
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No kidding!!! :bigyikes:When you post links, and they include graphic pictures, WARN US!!!
I agree with what they have to say, but that pic on the sites homepage was NOT what I needed to start my day with…
Having said that, thanks for supporting the Cause.
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Kristopher
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Dear trustmc:
Can you demonstrate how pictures of abortuses is less effective in forcing a decision about abortion, for or against, than what you claim is more effective: well-reasoned, well-articulated arguements?
I have heard one of the most articulate debaters on the issue, Scott Klusendorf, argue the absolute opposite of what you say. One of the most accomplished lawyers for the Pro-Life side of the fence, Gregg Cunningham, clearly argues against you. And he and his wife, after over some twelve yrs. experience counselling and running a crisis pregnancy center in the Los Angeles County Area argue against you. Additionally, a state where as of 2000 nearly one third of all pregnant women chose abortion, NJ, a Fr. Frank Pavone, head of Priests for Life argues against you: the first person to post at abortionno.org in whole hearted support for this campaign against abortion. These men and women cannot understand how an arguement against abortion without these pics. can be successful, and they are the best our nation possesses on this issue–inclusive of the late Mother Teresa: she of course being of such sensitivity that she found it best to leave the harshness of the school, where she taught such harshly, wealthy young progeny of other such harshly wealthy progeny, for the rather pleasant streets of Calcutta better suited to the sensitivity she possessed in her love of Holy Mother Church, and of her Lord and her Savior: J-E-S-U-S C-H-R-I-S-T, spelled-out for all our sensitivities. And did you catch the demand of the late Dr. Bernard N. Nathanson who aborted the child between he and his girlfriend; ran the largest abortion mill in the West US, and was a leading founder of the National Assoc. for the Reform of Abortion Laws (NARAL) prior to '73: show The Silent Scream to every person in such a position to cholse an abortion–did you in public school ever witness a more effective presentation than actual live footage of NAZI holocaust victims dumped from tractor scoops into mass graves at concentration camp sites; what was the reaction in America after all the well reasoned arguements of the Nuremberg Trials gave way to the actual film footage: people began to believe the horror after all their sensitivies. And please explain to me how a well reasoned arguement can possibly exist, while suppressing the physical evidence of abortuses; though only depicted as images. Your reasoning is fallacious trustmc for the reason that you deny the sensitivity people possess in their demands that reasoned arguements possess all relevant evidence, without suppression of any evidences.
Did you ever oppose slavery by showing pictures. Did you ever oppose the Depression by showing pictures. Did you ever witness the most highly sexually active portion of our population, fifteen yr. olds, say, see how sick the pic. of a woman aborting her baby in a back-alley is now.
I believe the comfort many of you find in your mythical claim of sensitivity, which falsely justifies advocation against the use of graphic images in this culture war against abortion is as well reasoned as the National Abortion Rights Action Leagues’ arguement: abortion is compassionate–spare the child a life under a mother like her, and a father like him–children are so sensitive; you know.
My sincere apologies to the lot of you for such a rude awakening: I assumed too much that sensitive people would reason pics. at an anti-abortion website would of course depict abortuses, the logical consequence of an abortion in legal terms, as opposed to some lovely pics. of zygotes, of blastocysts, of fetuses, which show nothing at all of an abortion.
I will edit the headline.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
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Kristopher
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WARNING: ABORTION IS AN HORRIFIC TRAGEDY WHICH RESULTS IN ABORTUSES DEPICTED AT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE abortionno.org NESCESSARY TO STOP ABORTION
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Kristopher
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Dear Reader:
I understand, perhaps more fully than I could ever make aware to others, what a shock the horror depicted in the images you see at abortionn.org are for all–I completely sympathisize with your feelings, with your thoughts, and with your opinions, which at the outset contradict the purpose and the effectiveness of these images.
Thank you for what you share, and for your participation in the poll.
My apologies to those who have posted for the anger I foolishly express online as a reply to the initial shock all of us experience in viewing these images.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
I understand, perhaps more fully than I could ever make aware to others, what a shock the horror depicted in the images you see at abortionn.org are for all–I completely sympathisize with your feelings, with your thoughts, and with your opinions, which at the outset contradict the purpose and the effectiveness of these images.
Thank you for what you share, and for your participation in the poll.
My apologies to those who have posted for the anger I foolishly express online as a reply to the initial shock all of us experience in viewing these images.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
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Timidity
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Wow, with all the repeats of the URL I would almost suspect someone is trying to raise a search engine ranking.
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sadie2723
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I agree
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Kristopher
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No. I don’t know anything about raising search engine ratings–just know the website by the URL, and it seems convenient.
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trustmc
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I seriously doubt that these people have every heard of me, so how they’ve managed to argue against me is baffling. And besides, neither you nor they know the amount of friends, family and coworkers I’ve managed to convert over to the pro-life cause in the past 15 years since becoming a Christian with just my words and prayers alone.
I don’t recall and can’t imagine Mother Teresa or Pope John Paul II confronting their public with pictures of aborted infants in their many public and well-articulated appeals for the repeal of the abortion license.
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Kristopher
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The use of images such as what you see at the Center for Bioethical Reform are very much supported by Father Frank Pavone who worked in close alliance with Mother Teresa, and he is head of Priests for Life. The Church supports the use of these images.
Your arguement against the use of these images still remains unsubstantiated, and those authorities I mentioned of course do not oppose you, but your arguements.
No one denied what may be done to bring people to the Pro-life side by use of statistics, of stories from people like myself, traumatized by abortion, but by the use of pictures as well.
How will you demonstrate that images of abortuses are less effective than the means you use–how will you argue against your prayers being answered with images to show abortuses to others, to end abortion?
Thank you for your work on the Pro-life side, no doubt bringing people to the Pro-life side is commendable.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
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Kristopher,
Do not be disappointed with the lack of support from others on this issue of using graphic images to end abortion. They have not given sufficient consideration to all of the facts.
Fact 1: Images are the most effective means to end an atrocity (blacks being hung of the KKK, Vietnamese children burned in the war).
Fact 2: All major pro-life leaders endorse the use of these photos (Joe Scheidler, Greg Cunningham, Fr. Frank Pavone)
Fact 3: Nothing upsets the pro-abort like a graphic photo. Why is that?
Fact 4: Many pro-aborts convert to the pro-life side in a matter of seconds, having seen these pictures. (cf. abortionno.org/AbortionNO/web_response.html)
Fact 5: Lazy pro-lifers are often shocked into action when this hidden genocide is revealed.
Fact 6: Almost everyone sitting on the fence is compelled to take a stand against abortion having seen dead babies and limbs of dead babies.
The facts, Kristopher, are in your corner, not theirs. Their negativity is simply the reflex of a politically correct society. And so while we bite our nails over the use of these images and whether or not middle schoolers should see them, or whether or not someone will heave their lunch, another 3,500 children are murdered.
If a girl is old enough to have an abortion, she’s old enough to see an abortion.
America will not end abortion until America sees abortion.
God bless you for exposing the true nature and horror of abortion.
In Christ,
Tom
Do not be disappointed with the lack of support from others on this issue of using graphic images to end abortion. They have not given sufficient consideration to all of the facts.
Fact 1: Images are the most effective means to end an atrocity (blacks being hung of the KKK, Vietnamese children burned in the war).
Fact 2: All major pro-life leaders endorse the use of these photos (Joe Scheidler, Greg Cunningham, Fr. Frank Pavone)
Fact 3: Nothing upsets the pro-abort like a graphic photo. Why is that?
Fact 4: Many pro-aborts convert to the pro-life side in a matter of seconds, having seen these pictures. (cf. abortionno.org/AbortionNO/web_response.html)
Fact 5: Lazy pro-lifers are often shocked into action when this hidden genocide is revealed.
Fact 6: Almost everyone sitting on the fence is compelled to take a stand against abortion having seen dead babies and limbs of dead babies.
The facts, Kristopher, are in your corner, not theirs. Their negativity is simply the reflex of a politically correct society. And so while we bite our nails over the use of these images and whether or not middle schoolers should see them, or whether or not someone will heave their lunch, another 3,500 children are murdered.
If a girl is old enough to have an abortion, she’s old enough to see an abortion.
America will not end abortion until America sees abortion.
God bless you for exposing the true nature and horror of abortion.
In Christ,
Tom
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Rosalinda
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I strongly support using the images to show the world the horrors of abortion. Even so, it should be pointed out even the Priests for Life website does not show these photos directly on their homepage because people do deserve a warning.
Furthermore, as for the sensitivity issue, we are at war, a war against our own children, and as disconcerting as this is we can’t expect to go about our normal, comfortable lives as if these atrocities are not happening. War is ugly, brutal. All the tools available should be used: facts, public protest, gentle persuasion, debates, prayer, penance and photographs. We are all called to use whatever gifts we can and we should respect each other enough to allow the Holy Spirit to work with whom He chooses however He chooses.
Our sensitivities should not be the issue. The issue is the sensitivity and pain of the children and their mothers who suffer abortion. Everyone who looks at the remains of children should feel shock, horror, disgust, revulsion. Anyone who doesn’t has a heart of stone.
Furthermore, as for the sensitivity issue, we are at war, a war against our own children, and as disconcerting as this is we can’t expect to go about our normal, comfortable lives as if these atrocities are not happening. War is ugly, brutal. All the tools available should be used: facts, public protest, gentle persuasion, debates, prayer, penance and photographs. We are all called to use whatever gifts we can and we should respect each other enough to allow the Holy Spirit to work with whom He chooses however He chooses.
Our sensitivities should not be the issue. The issue is the sensitivity and pain of the children and their mothers who suffer abortion. Everyone who looks at the remains of children should feel shock, horror, disgust, revulsion. Anyone who doesn’t has a heart of stone.
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Bless you Kristopher for what you do. I voted no in this poll only because i haven’t purchased anything from the weblink you provided. I do donate all the time to PFL and I’ve sent stuff from PFL in Christmas cards last year. I’ve testified at women’s retreats about my own abortions and how it negatively effected me and I’ve guided three women to retreats for post abortive women. They’ve never known they existed and had been struggling for years.
Pictures speak volumes and the negative reaction is just political correctness. People didn’t believe in the genocide of Hitler until pictures were shown. Sometimes words themselves just can’t portray accurately a situation, but ONE picture can.
Keep up the fight!!!
Pictures speak volumes and the negative reaction is just political correctness. People didn’t believe in the genocide of Hitler until pictures were shown. Sometimes words themselves just can’t portray accurately a situation, but ONE picture can.
Keep up the fight!!!
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