10 Commandments...different?

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A friend dropped off a cute little song for children’s to learn the 10 Commandments. I smiled and said thank you…knowing that this was a cute little protestant version of the commandments (not teaching it to my kids). I see the obvious differences. But then began to wonder if I could defend my place if asked later. Can you tell me the history behind the changes and differences? Is it a translation issue? Is it Tradition?
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A friend dropped off a cute little song for children’s to learn the 10 Commandments. I smiled and said thank you…knowing that this was a cute little protestant version of the commandments (not teaching it to my kids). I see the obvious differences. But then began to wonder if I could defend my place if asked later. Can you tell me the history behind the changes and differences? Is it a translation issue? Is it Tradition?
Thank you!
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Karl Keating touches on that issue in this tract: catholic.com/library/Do_Catholics_Worship_Statues.asp

The Catholic Encyclopedia might help you too: newadvent.org
 
Jnet,

Hello and welcome to the Catholic Answers Forums! I hope you have a joyful and blessed time here.

If I may sow some confusion, not as a serious attempt to confuse but simply to let you know that there’s more out there, Exodus 34:10-28 has a completely different version of “the Ten Commandments” than the one we are familiar with (that comes from Exodus 20). The second set of Ten Commandments are:
  1. You shall not make any covenants with the inhabitants of the land you are moving into.
  2. You shall not make for yourselves any molten gods.
  3. You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
  4. The firstborn males, both human and animal, belong to God.
  5. No one shall appear before God empty-handed.
  6. You may work for six days but on the seventh day you shall rest.
  7. You shall keep the Feast of Weeks.
  8. You shall not offer the blood of sacrifice with leavened bread.
  9. The choicest first fruits of your soil you shall bring to the house of the Lord.
  10. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.
As Catholics, of course, we have Mother Church to tell us what the real Ten Commandments are. I’m sure sola scriptura advocates can tell us why this set of Ten Commandments is not as binding on us as the first set, but I haven’t heard their reason.
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Micah 5:13
Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

How does this verse read in your bible?
 
What Are the Ten Commandments?
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There are two versions of the ten commandments (Decalogue) given in the Bible. The first is contained in Exodus 20, and the second in Deuteronomy 5. All churches have preferred to use the version given in Exodus. According to Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13, God wrote upon the tablets “ten commandments,” and so Exodus 20:2-17 is to be divided into ten parts; but this division is done differently by different writers. The oldest method, found in the writings of Philo and Josephus (first century), takes verse 3 as the first commandment, verses 4 through 6 as the second, and so forth. This is called the Philonic division, and it was adopted by the Greek Church and by Protestants (except Lutherans). Later the Jewish Talmud (third century) treated the preface in verses 1 and 2 as the first of ten “sayings” and combined verses 3-6 as the second saying. This is called the Talmudic division, and was adopted by all Jews. In the fifth century Saint Augustine listed the ten commandments by beginning with the Talmudic second saying as the first commandment; and, following the word order of Deuteronomy 5:21, making the ninth commandment a prohibition of the coveting of a neighbor’s wife, and the tenth a prohibition of coveting his house and other property. This is known as the Augustinian division. (1) The Roman Catholic church accepted Augustine’s method, and Luther also continued in this tradition with one modification: he preferred to follow the word order of Exodus 20, and so his ninth commandment became a prohibition against coveting the house and his tenth prohibited coveting the wife, slaves, and animals. Lutherans continue to follow this method.
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The table below shows the four different traditions of numbering: Philonic (P); Talmudic (T); Augustinian (A); and Lutheran (L).
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bible-researcher.com/decalogue.html
 
Thank you all very much! This has been very helpful and given me much to comtemplate and explore.
God’s peace,
j
 
Exodus 20:3-17 (also Deuteronomy 5:7-21)
Exo 20:3
Deu 5:7
[Jesus’ teachings about the 1st Commandment]
Mat 4:8-10
Mar 12:32
[Other writings about the 1st Commandment]
Mal 2:10
Rom 3:30
1Co 8:4-6
Eph 4:6
Phi 3:18,19
1Ti 2: 5
Jam 2:19
Exo 20:4-6
Deu 5:8-10
[Other writings about the 2nd Commandment]
Rom 2:22
Gal 5:19-21
Eph 5:5
Rev 21:8
Exo 20:7
Lev 19:12
Deu 5:11
[Jesus’ teachings about the 3rd Commandment]
Mat 5:33-37
Mat 15:19,20
Mat 23:16-22
Mar 7:21-23
[Other writings about the 3rd Commandment]
Psa 139:20
Pro 30:8,9
Jam 5:12
Gen 2:2,3
Exo 20:8-11
Exo 23:12
Exo 31:13
Exo 34:21
Lev 19:3
Lev 23:3
Deu 5:12-15
[Jesus’ teachings about the 4th Commandment]
Mat 12:1-8
Mat 12:10-13
Mat 24:20
Mar 1:21-27
Mar 2:23-28
Mar 3:1-5
Mar 6:2,3
Luk 4:16-22,31-32
Luk 6:1-11
Luk 13:10-17
Luk 14:1-6
Joh 5:1-18
Joh 7:22-24
Joh 9:1-16
[Other writings about the 4th Commandment]
[the word “sabbath” is used 137 times in the KJV Bible]
Gen 2:3
Exo 20:12
Lev 19:3,32
Deu 5:16
[Jesus’ teachings about the 5th Commandment]
Mat 15:4-9
Mat 19:18,19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mar 7:9-13
Mar 10:19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Luk 18:20 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
[Other writings about the 5th Commandment]
Pro 1:8,9
Pro 15:5
Pro 20:20
Pro 23:22-25
Pro 24:30
Mal 1:6
Eph 6:1-4
Col 3:20
Exo 20:13
Deu 5:17
[Jesus’ teachings about the 6th Commandment]
Mat 5:21-24
Mat 15:19,20
Mat 19:18,19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mar 7:21-23
Mar 10:19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Luk 18:20 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
[Other writings about the 6th Commandment]
Gen 4:8-16
Jer 7: 9 [6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Rom 13:9 [6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th]
Gal 5:19-21
1Ti 1:8-10 [6th, 7th, and 9th]
Jam 2:11 [6th & 7th]
Jam 4:1-4
1Jo 3:12-15
Rev 21:8

Exo 20:14
Lev 18:20
Deu 5:18
[Jesus’ teachings about the 7th Commandment]
Mat 5:27-30, 32
Mat 15:19,20
Mat 19:9
Mat 19:18,19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mar 7:21-23
Mar 10:19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mar 10:11,12
Luk 16:18
Luk 18:20 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Joh 8:1-11
1Co 7:10,11 [quoted from Jesus, as cited by Paul]

[Other writings about the 7th Commandment]
2Sa 11:2-5,14-17
2Sa 12:1-17
Job 31:1,9
Pro 2:9-22
Pro 6:20-35
Pro 7:1-27
Jer 7: 9 [6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mal 3:5
Rom 2:21-23
Rom 7:2,3
Rom 13:9 [6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th]
1Co 5:9-13
1Co 6:9-20
1Co 7:1-5
Gal 5:19-21
Eph 5:3-5
1Ti 1:8-10 [6th, 7th, and 9th]
Heb 13:4
Jam 2:11 [6th & 7th]
Jam 4:1-4
2Pe 2:12-17
Rev 21:8
Exo 20:15
Lev 19:11
Deu 5:19
[Jesus’ teachings about the 8th Commandment]
Mat 15:19,20
Mat 19:18,19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mar 7:21-23
Mar 10:19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Luk 18:20 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Joh 12:1,8,10
[Other writings about the 8th Commandment]
Jer 7: 9 [6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Rom 2:21-23
Rom 13:9 [6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th]
1Co 6:9,10
Eph 4:28
Exo 20:16
Lev 19:11
Deu 5:20
[Jesus’ teachings about the 9th Commandment]
Mat 15:19,20
Mat 19:18,19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Mar 7:21-23
Mar 10:19 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Luk 18:20 [5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
[Other writings about the 9th Commandment]
Mal 3:5
Jer 7: 9 [6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th]
Rom 13:9 [6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th]
1Ti 1:8-10 [6th, 7th, and 9th]
Rev 21:8
Exo 20:17
Deu 5:21
[Jesus’ teachings about the 10th Commandment]
Mat 15:19,20
Mar 7:21-23
[Other writings about the 10th Commandment]
Rom 13:9 [6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th]
1Co 6:9,10
Gal 5:19-21
Jam 4:1-4
[Jesus’ teachings about all the commandments]
Mat 5:17-20
Mar 16:16-17

from bibletexts site
 
The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible translated by Abegg, Flint, and Ulrich. Published by HaperSanFranciso, 1999

anyone have a copy laying around to check?

What edition is in the Nash Papyrus?
 
Non-Catholic Christians often claim that Catholics “threw out the second commandment,” in order to “hide it.” The command against “graven images” is a restatement of the first commandment, you shall have no other gods but me. Making it techincally a recap. God condems idolatry, the worship of images as deities (making them other “gods” and thus not worshiping the one true God i e the first commandment.) If God were to condemn use of carved images in general then he would not have commanded Moses to make the cherub statues on top of the ark of the covenant. If anti-Catholics say otherwise to this, then they need to go to Washington DC someday.

I remember watching on the Journey Home once there was a Baptist Reverend who Converted to the Catholic Church. He said for years he accused Catholics of what I stated, but yet he never flinched when he set up the nativity scence in his church every Christmas.
 
Hi Psalms459, You have a good point there. I never said graven images was equal to putting a picture up in your study or anything like that. I agree that graven images in this context refers to idols. But, lets face it the anti-catholics believe that a statue of Mary or of any other Saint is an idol. Thus they need to prove that Catholics worship such, besides God. Scripture has various places where people paid homage by kneiling down.

2 Chronicles 24:17
After the death of Jehoiada, the officials of Judah came and paid homage to the king, and he listened to them.

Job 31:27
so that my heart was secretly enticed and my hand offered them a kiss of homage,

Mark 15:19
Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him.
 
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Hi Psalms459, You have a good point there. I never said graven images was equal to putting a picture up in your study or anything like that. I agree that graven images in this context refers to idols. But, lets face it the anti-catholics believe that a statue of Mary or of any other Saint is an idol. Thus they need to prove that Catholics worship such, besides God. Scripture has various places where people paid homage by kneiling down.

2 Chronicles 24:17
After the death of Jehoiada, the officials of Judah came and paid homage to the king, and he listened to them.

Job 31:27
so that my heart was secretly enticed and my hand offered them a kiss of homage,

Mark 15:19
Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him.
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Thanks, Daniel, I didn’t think you were saying catholic commit idolatry. I was stating why the 10 commandents are different between Catholics and Protestants. Karl Keating explains it well in the link I provided.
 
Daniel Marsh:
Micah 5:13
Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

How does this verse read in your bible?
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Micah 5:12: I will abolish your carved images and the sacred pillars from your midst;/And you shall no longer adore the works of your hands. (New American Bible)

Micah 5:12: I will destory your idols/And the sacred pillars in your midst;/And no more shall you bow down/To the work of your hands. (Jewish Publication Society)
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