144,000 gentiles

[Hellothere]

The bible talks about in end times there being a fulfuilment of the gentiles, and that after that its almost ‘too late’ to be part of that but the jews convert and fulfil God’s people. That there is a period of time ‘at the very end’ if you’re not in the 144,000 tribes its too late.

There is nothing in the catechism or in catholic teaching on this in the Bible.

I’m just a bit confused about in catholic church teaching, when is it too late to convert to Jesus before his return. As his return is not marked with any trumpet sound or any ‘times up’ the bible shows he just comes down on a cloud.

 

[Anesti33]

The time to convert is now. You have no idea when Christ will come again, nor do you know when you will die. The urgency of salvation is clear. Repent and believe the Gospel.

 

[Vico]

The bible talks about in end times there being a fulfuilment of the gentiles, and that after that its almost ‘too late’ to be part of that but the jews convert and fulfil God’s people. That there is a period of time ‘at the very end’ if you’re not in the 144,000 tribes its too late.

There is nothing in the catechism or in catholic teaching on this in the Bible.

I’m just a bit confused about in catholic church teaching, when is it too late to convert to Jesus before his return. As his return is not marked with any trumpet sound or any ‘times up’ the bible shows he just comes down on a cloud.

One has until the end of their earthly life to become incorporated into the Body of Christ. At the end of one’s earthly life is the particular judgement, prior to the Parousia.

In the Apocalypse (Revelation) The 144,000 are mentioned at the sixth seal.

Haydock Commentary, Apocalypse 7

Ver. 4. I heard the number of them that were sealed.
By these determinate numbers need only be understood a great number of Jews converted and saved, though much greater was the number of the saved taken from among the Gentiles of all nations, of which it is said, I saw a great multitude, which no man could number, &c. Wi.
— The number of one hundred and forty-four thousand is not to be taken in a literal and strict sense, but to express in general terms the great number of the elect; for it appears that the tribe of Dan, which certainly must have produced some elect, is not mentioned, and the tribe of Joseph is put in lieu of that of Ephraim: so that if it be supposed that these numbers must be taken literally, the tribe of Joseph would have produced a double number to that of any other tribe, since Manasses was his son, and the tribe of Dan would have produced none. Ven. Bede.

 

[fredystairs]

I’m just a bit confused about in catholic church teaching, when is it too late to convert to Jesus before his return. As his return is not marked with any trumpet sound or any ‘times up’ the bible shows he just comes down on a cloud.

As far as converting goes I’m with @Anesti33 , for Saint Paul urges conversion immediately:

For he (God) says, “In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.
2 Cor 2:6

As far as the return with a trumpet blast, there is at least one verse that says there will be a trumpet blast:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God and the dead of Christ will arise first.
1 Thessalonians 4:16

But again, don’t wait, convert now!

Pax

 

[Hellothere]

Can it ever be too late?

The catechism doesn’t make it clear, but protestants believe it can be after a certain time.

 

[fredystairs]

Can it ever be too late?

The catechism doesn’t make it clear, but protestants believe it can be after a certain time.

If you die unrepentant, then that would be too late. Before you die you can repent, but I wouldn’t wait until just before you die, because you never know when you’re going to die. You might not have time to repent.

I don’t know about when during the Second Coming would be too late, but I wouldn’t want to be in the position of being unrepentant at the Second Coming.

Pax