15th Station??

[VietCatholic83]

Recently, I have seen and heard of more and more parishes add it the “15th Station of the Cross” which is the Resurrection of Our Lord. I have always understood there to be only 14 traditional Stations, ending with the Laying of Our Lord in the Sepulcher. Has there been a promulgation by the Holy See or some Dioceses to include the Resurrection as a Station?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Recently, I have seen and heard of more and more parishes add it the “15th Station of the Cross” which is the Resurrection of Our Lord. I have always understood there to be only 14 traditional Stations, ending with the Laying of Our Lord in the Sepulcher. Has there been a promulgation by the Holy See or some Dioceses to include the Resurrection as a Station?

Traditionally, there are only 14 stations.

The 15th station, the resurrection of the Lord, is done by some, outside of Lent.

The stations of the cross are not a liturgical rite, but more of devotion. There’s nothing wrong with adding the 15th. You could even add a 16th station, The Ascension, if you wanted to.

Jim

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Those who add a 15th Station for the Resurrection tend to also add a 0th Station for the Agony in the Garden to keep things balanced. Father Jim Nisbet discusses this a bit in his book an illustrated Stations of the Cross; the devotion & its history.

 

[1ke]

The number of stations has varied throughout history, and still do today.

It’s a private devotion, and it is not “governed” by the rules like the rubrics of the Mass. You can say the Stations any way you want to.

 

[Digitonomy]

Those who add a 15th Station for the Resurrection tend to also add a 0th Station for the Agony in the Garden to keep things balanced. Father Jim Nisbet discusses this a bit in his book an illustrated Stations of the Cross; the devotion & its history.

Did Fr Nisbet by any chance mention the direction of “flow” from one station to the next? I recall a thread where someone inquired about this; my theory was that counterclockwise, which is more common, derives from the direction of processionals such as we still see in Eastern liturgies.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Did Fr Nisbet by any chance mention the direction of “flow” from one station to the next? I recall a thread where someone inquired about this; my theory was that counterclockwise, which is more common, derives from the direction of processionals such as we still see in Eastern liturgies.

I don’t remember his mentioning it. I remember years from years back it was usually counter clockwise; in my current church they go clockwise.

I remember encountering a superstition many years ago that if one went around a church the wrong way [at anytime, not necessarily for the Stations] one would encounter the devil. Don’t remember the details.

 

[Ghoti]

Mary Queen of Peace Church in St. John’s NL has a different set of 14 than the ones I grew up with…they add the Resurrection, and possibly the Ascension (I can’t remember). I tho’t that was an irregularity, but recently I have found different “sets” of stations. One is called the “Scriptural Stations”, which starts in the Garden, ends with the Resurrection, and omits the stations that don’t appear in the Bible (Veronica, for example).

As others more erudite have mentioned before me, the Stations do not seem to be set in stone (other than the materials they have been made of in any particular church )

I guess it’s the same as the Rosary. If John Paul II can add 5 new mysteries, why not modify the Stations?

PS. I just found out JPII also created the “Scriptural Stations.” Quite the busy beaver, was he not?

 

[Ghoti]

I don’t remember his mentioning it. I remember years from years back it was usually counter clockwise; in my current church they go clockwise.

I remember encountering a superstition many years ago that if one went around a church the wrong way [at anytime, not necessarily for the Stations] one would encounter the devil. Don’t remember the details.

Good. The devil is **in **the details.

 

[Ghoti]

Scriptural Stations:

1. • Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane
   • Jesus, betrayed by Judas Iscariot, is Arrested
   • Jesus is Condemned by the Sanhedrin
   • Jesus is Denied by St. Peter
   • Jesus is Judged by Pontius Pilate
   • Jesus is Scourged at the Pilar and Crowned with Thorns
   • Jesus Bears the Cross
   • Jesus is Helped by Simon the Cyrenian to Carry the Cross
   • Jesus Meets the Women of Jerusalem
   • Jesus is Crucified
   • Jesus Promises His Kingdom to the Good Thief
   • Jesus Speaks to His Mother and the Beloved Disciple
   • Jesus Dies on the Cross
   • Jesus is Placed in the Tomb
   New ones are in red. They replace the following:
   • Jesus falls for the first time
   • Jesus meets His Mother
   • Veronica wipes Jesus’ face with her veil
   • Jesus falls the second time
   • Jesus falls the third time
   • Jesus is stripped of His garments
   • Jesus’ body is removed from the cross

 

[thomasf]

When I did the stations a few weeks ago we did the 15th station of the resurrection, and we stopped in front of the Cross for that station. We also went counterclockwise, which I didn’t get because if we had gone clockwise we could have used the kneelers in the pews instead of the floor.

 

[Chatter163]

I attended a parish that was doing the resurrection as the"15th station" 25 years ago. Nothing new there. It is not my preference, as the point of the stations was always to emphasize the passion of Our Lord, but this practice did not begin recently.

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

I guess it’s the same as the Rosary. If John Paul II can add 5 new mysteries, why not modify the Stations?

PS. I just found out JPII also created the “Scriptural Stations.” Quite the busy beaver, was he not?

Why is the eye-roll there? Do you believe that he was not within his authority as Pope to do so?

All I hear on these boards is talking about no room for personal innovation or preference and being faithful to the Church. Does that not apply when the Church, under the authority of the Pope. does something that YOU (personally) don’t like?

 

[mschrank]

For me, the Stations of the Cross is about focusing on the Passion, so there is no real need for a 15th station called the Ressurection because it’s kind of out of place in terms of theme (suffering).

However, like many posters pointed out, it’s a private devotion. You can say it however you like. So, if it helps ones faith to include a 15th, then let them do it. We’re all trying to get to the same place, after all.

I consider myself a tolerant traditionalist. Meaning that I tolerate differences as long as they are disciplinary (i.e., married priests in some rites) and not heretical. There is a lot of room for difference within the Church and I don’t think all “new stuff” is necessarily bad as long as it is an organic development.

 

[Ghoti]

Why is the eye-roll there? Do you believe that he was not within his authority as Pope to do so?

Sure I do. It was a “Go figure” rolleyes rather than one of exasperation or disagreement. I knew JPII has created the Luminous Mysteries, but I did not know that he had created the Scriptural Stations. That’s why the PS, and the comment about him being a busy beaver. Note the shrug above it: As I said, for a devotion that’s not carved in stone, if you can add five new mysteries to the Rosary, why not modify the Stations?

All I hear on these boards is talking about no room for personal innovation or preference and being faithful to the Church. Does that not apply when the Church, under the authority of the Pope. does something that YOU (personally) don’t like?

I don’t believe I have said anything for or against personal innovation or preference, as long as one is faithful to the Church. Which is why I will defend the OF, but not any excesses or abuses. Same as I will defend the EF (moreso once I go to one), but not the SSPX.

I also did not say that I disagreed with the changes to either. I saw the new stations in a church back home; and given the other changes that the parish priest made there, I wondered if they had been deviations from the accepted norm. Once I established they were done with the acceptance of Rome, then .

If I misled anyone with my use of the smileys, I apologize. It was not my intent to cast aspersions on the Holy Father (past or present), nor to intimate that I disagree with his authority on either of these topics. If anyone misunderstood my intent, the fault lies with me for not being more clear.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

The number of stations has varied throughout history, and still do today.

It’s a private devotion, and it is not “governed” by the rules like the rubrics of the Mass. You can say the Stations any way you want to.

At some points in history, there were many more stations.

PJII came up with the Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary. Private devotion, no change in canon law or requirement to say them. Same thing with the 15th station. No biggie.

 

[Andrewcarey]

It depends on what Church you attend. I remember going to Church that has a “15th Station”.