1914 . . The generation that will not pass away ! ! !

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Thank God, we as Catholics, have dogmas that do not change from generation to generation. I can imagine how confusing that must be for the JW’s. It amazes me how they can believe the lies that are told to them.
Jeanne
My sister while she was a Jehovahs Witness said she liked the idea of the “new truths” that would be announced at JW conventions and looked forward to them.

I can understand her point of view: the same old truths year after year, century after century…BORING.
 
My sister while she was a Jehovahs Witness said she liked the idea of the “new truths” that would be announced at JW conventions and looked forward to them.

I can understand her point of view: the same old truths year after year, century after century…BORING.
Thanks, that gave me a much needed chuckle.🙂
 
My sister while she was a Jehovahs Witness said she liked the idea of the “new truths” that would be announced at JW conventions and looked forward to them.

I can understand her point of view: the same old truths year after year, century after century…BORING.
😃

Many a well studied JW was always looking/hoping for “new light” because typically anyone who really dug into past publications (you could order bound volumes of Watchtowers and Awake magazines from long ago) knew for a fact that a lot was going to have to change.
The problem was that issues that really mattered were never addressed until long after the Kingdom Hall elders had been disfellowshipping too often for the same reasons, i,e, good brothers, brothers who were known to be a bit sharper and diligent than the average in their studies who were talking about how certain dogmas were incorrect.

Though they claim not to be, it is a very Legalistic organization.

corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/aspect-of-legalism-of-jehovahs.html
 
Howdy, Jeanne,

I think we are dealing with semantics here.

You call the changing dogmas by the WTS, “lies”. In a sense I guess they are.
I call them mis-undertandings promoted as dogmas by the heads of that church.

Just like the Vastican used to promote that the Sun was not the “center of the universe”. Now, due to a better undersrtanding they do accept this as fact.
So, perhaps The Church did not lie… They just had a dogma that due to “new light” was changed to reflect fact.
Nonetheless, a great mind and man as Gallileo was put under house arrest, and only released from arrest by his death.
FYI, no dogma of the Church has ever changed. Also the teaching that the Sun was the center of the universe was never dogma.
 
FYI, no dogma of the Church has ever changed.

Hmmm… I may be incorrect and apologize if I am.
However, I thought that they decided to allow non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion?
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/19_ncholycomm.pdf -
Maybe I’m mixing up “dogma” and “doctrine”😃
Maybe those are changing doctrines and not dogmas in the WTS as well.
Also the teaching that the Sun was the center of the universe was never dogma.
They did charge a great man with heresy, and imprioned him in his own home until his death.
What sin did he commit against the Church?:confused:
 
Hmmm… I may be incorrect and apologize if I am.
However, I thought that they decided to allow non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion?
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/19_ncholycomm.pdf -
Maybe I’m mixing up “dogma” and “doctrine”😃
Maybe those are changing doctrines and not dogmas in the WTS as well.

They did charge a great man with heresy, and imprioned him in his own home until his death.
What sin did he commit against the Church?:confused:
About who can receive Holy Communion see this link fro CA
catholic.com/library/Who_Can_Receive_Communion.asp

Jeanne
 
well.

They did charge a great man with heresy, and imprioned him in his own home until his death.
What sin did he commit against the Church?:confused:
Hi Vasian,
Sorry for the links but this is a good article about Galileo. Too much to read and summarize. If you want to know the truth about him read this article. It is rather lengthy but your questions will be answered.
catholic.com/thisrock/2009/0907tbt.asp

God Bless
Jeanne
 
Hi Vasian,
Sorry for the links but this is a good article about Galileo. Too much to read and summarize. If you want to know the truth about him read this article. It is rather lengthy but your questions will be answered.
catholic.com/thisrock/2009/0907tbt.asp

God Bless
Jeanne
Thank you again, Jeanne. Times were pretty weird back then for all.
From the aritcle:
The mistakes came from Galileo’s personality and style, the Holy Father’s anger in believing that Galileo had personally deceived him, jealous competitive scientists out to get the acerbic Galileo, and—frankly—tribunal judges who erroneously believed that it was scientific fact that the universe revolved around a motionless Earth and that the Bible confirmed such a belief.

A perfect storm, indeed.

Nonetheless, my point is still that church leaders today do not act in such ways yet WTS leaders in fact do.

ADDENDA:
I do pray however, that the Papal would appeal to those that are in positions of power here in the U.S., that are public in their subversion of the Faith, and if they refuse, then perhaps more stringent actions should be taken.
 
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ADDENDA:
I do pray however, that the Papal would appeal to those that are in positions of power here in the U.S., that are public in their subversion of the Faith, and if they refuse, then perhaps more stringent actions should be taken.
Hi Vasian,

I wonder if the Church (Pope) has the power it once had. Those that are in positions of power consider themselves mini gods and wouldn’t listen to the Pope. I think it is up to the local priests to refuse them Holy Communion. But we are off topic here.
Jeanne
 
Yes,off topic… Sorry about that. There are threads in Social Justice addressing such things.

😃
 
My sister while she was a Jehovahs Witness said she liked the idea of the “new truths” that would be announced at JW conventions and looked forward to them.

I can understand her point of view: the same old truths year after year, century after century…BORING.
Hi,
Jesus is the last of the truths. There are no new ones. As in the councils the dogmas of the church had to be fully explained, because heretics were questioning them and not created as the WT would have you believe i.e. the Trinity.

I, for one, don’t think the truth of Jesus is ever boring.

Jeanne
 
JL: Welcome back home, I would love to hear more about your journey with the WT. For instance, how did you get there? what convinced you? How long did you stay? What brought you out, was it over a long period and many things or one quick thing? Had you ever studied you Catholic faith and scripture before you became JW? Why and how did you come back to the Catholic faith? Did you ever miss the Church at times when you were JW? Did you find it difficult to believe any church after you lost your belief in the WT? Do you still struggle with certain things? As a JW did you ever read the bible on your own or were you even allowed? When you teach a home bible study, do you use the bible or WT books that tell you what the bible says? Ok I’ll stop with the questions. You might have to start another line, I think it would be very interesting and informative.
Hmmm… I may be incorrect and apologize if I am.
However, I thought that they decided to allow non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion? www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/19_ncholycomm.pdf -
Maybe I’m mixing up “dogma” and “doctrine”😃 Maybe those are changing doctrines and not dogmas in the WTS as well.
JL; mostholyfamilymonastery.com/19_ncholycomm.pdf
Canon 844.3, 1983 Code of Canon Law: “Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned.”8] [Bold print added by me]

To whom the Church gives communion is a matter of Canon Law or discipline. Laws or disciplines can be changed when the Church sees fit. It is not a teaching revealed by our Lord that cannot be changed.

Something as basic as worshiping Christ as the WT did till the 1950’s then changed totally, to you cannot worship Christ, could not be a changeable teaching. The teaching would be a CORE teaching of the Gospel, either way you take it –do worship, don’t worship – and could’nt be changed. Either those who worshiped Christ before 1950 were idolators and not IN THE TRUTH. Or those after the change are not IN THE TRUTH, both could not be IN THE TURTH. Especially since Christ was supposed to have chosen those early WT believers, because they were the only ones on the planet teaching the TRUTH at that time per the WT.

Some of their changes may come under changeable teaching, each would have to be looked at separately. Also the WT says new light does not contradict old light, yet worshiping changed to not worshiping is a major contradiction and even contradicts their new light, old light law or dogma, depending on how the WT defines it.
They did charge a great man with heresy, and imprioned him in his own home until his death. What sin did he commit against the Church?:confused:
JL: If you’re confused don’t feel alone, here are a couple links on Galileo from This Rock Magazine, catholic.com/thisrock/2009/0907tbt.asp
catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp

To make a long and complicated story short, as I see it. Galileo’s mistake was not his THEORY, but trying to tell the Church what it should be teaching. The Church had no problem with his THEORY. The problem was Galileo mixing his theory with theology.

There wasn’t in Galileo’s day and isn’t in our day a DOGMA which is binding on Catholics concerning the movement of planets. The Church is only infallible on matters of faith and morals not science. Although it was generally believed in that day, by most scientist and theologians, that everything revolved around the earth.

Just as the Immaculate Conception was generally believed, yet was not a DOGMA till 1848 when defined. It was believed, by some and not by other theologians before 1848. The Immaculate Conception was open to theological debate sorta as a theory till defined. I know my answer might be overly simplistic, but I hope it helps somewhat.
 
I am waiting to see if Christine is a JW who has just come on ‘Sabbath’, faithofall…

About Galileo, yes what I saw was a reference of Galileo taking his discoveries into theology of some sort…going outside his jurisdiction…
 
JL: Welcome back home, I would love to hear more about your journey with the WT. For instance, how did you get there? what convinced you? How long did you stay? What brought you out, was it over a long period and many things or one quick thing? Had you ever studied you Catholic faith and scripture before you became JW? Why and how did you come back to the Catholic faith? Did you ever miss the Church at times when you were JW? Did you find it difficult to believe any church after you lost your belief in the WT? Do you still struggle with certain things? As a JW did you ever read the bible on your own or were you even allowed? When you teach a home bible study, do you use the bible or WT books that tell you what the bible says? Ok I’ll stop with the questions. You might have to start another line, I think it would be very interesting and informative.

JL; mostholyfamilymonastery.com/19_ncholycomm.pdf
Canon 844.3, 1983 Code of Canon Law: “Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned.”8] [Bold print added by me]

To whom the Church gives communion is a matter of Canon Law or discipline. Laws or disciplines can be changed when the Church sees fit. It is not a teaching revealed by our Lord that cannot be changed.

Something as basic as worshiping Christ as the WT did till the 1950’s then changed totally, to you cannot worship Christ, could not be a changeable teaching. The teaching would be a CORE teaching of the Gospel, either way you take it –do worship, don’t worship – and could’nt be changed. Either those who worshiped Christ before 1950 were idolators and not IN THE TRUTH. Or those after the change are not IN THE TRUTH, both could not be IN THE TURTH. Especially since Christ was supposed to have chosen those early WT believers, because they were the only ones on the planet teaching the TRUTH at that time per the WT.

Some of their changes may come under changeable teaching, each would have to be looked at separately. Also the WT says new light does not contradict old light, yet worshiping changed to not worshiping is a major contradiction and even contradicts their new light, old light law or dogma, depending on how the WT defines it.

JL: If you’re confused don’t feel alone, here are a couple links on Galileo from This Rock Magazine, catholic.com/thisrock/2009/0907tbt.asp
catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp

To make a long and complicated story short, as I see it. Galileo’s mistake was not his THEORY, but trying to tell the Church what it should be teaching. The Church had no problem with his THEORY. The problem was Galileo mixing his theory with theology.

There wasn’t in Galileo’s day and isn’t in our day a DOGMA which is binding on Catholics concerning the movement of planets. The Church is only infallible on matters of faith and morals not science. Although it was generally believed in that day, by most scientist and theologians, that everything revolved around the earth.

Just as the Immaculate Conception was generally believed, yet was not a DOGMA till 1848 when defined. It was believed, by some and not by other theologians before 1848. The Immaculate Conception was open to theological debate sorta as a theory till defined. I know my answer might be overly simplistic, but I hope it helps somewhat.
Excellent! Thank you:thumbsup:
 
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