1st Corinthians 1

[Nicholas_II]

Dear all

I was reading 1st Corinthians last night and had one of those, mmm moments. For some reason I couldnt get these out of my head.

“Jesus did not send me to baptise but to preach” or similar

This struck me as it put the emphasis on Pauls preaching rather than his sacramental ministry, which we catholics seem to make prevelant, or at least equal, in our understanding of the mission of the Church.

Now, I am sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this quotation from St Paul, which is fitting with the teachings of the Church (I havent checked the CCC or googled it or anything, Im just looking or some responses)

The thing, is, I dont know how I missed this quote before, I know I have heard most Protestant “mantras” but possibly not this one. Is it one? If it is, or is not, in any case I would like a refresher!

ta.

NII

 

[NotWorthy]

Dear all

I was reading 1st Corinthians last night and had one of those, mmm moments. For some reason I couldnt get these out of my head.

“Jesus did not send me to baptise but to preach” or similar

This struck me as it put the emphasis on Pauls preaching rather than his sacramental ministry, which we catholics seem to make prevelant, or at least equal, in our understanding of the mission of the Church.

Now, I am sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this quotation from St Paul, which is fitting with the teachings of the Church (I havent checked the CCC or googled it or anything, Im just looking or some responses)

The thing, is, I dont know how I missed this quote before, I know I have heard most Protestant “mantras” but possibly not this one. Is it one? If it is, or is not, in any case I would like a refresher!

ta.

NII

Well, there are two issues.

1. The Context of what Paul is writing of describes division in the Church at Corinth. He didn’t come to cause division. The division was created, according to this context, by people following the teachings of whoever baptized them.

13 *** Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 ****** I give thanks (to God) that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,****** 15 ****** so that no one can say you were baptized in my name***.

1. You can see by Paul’s actions in Acts that Baptism was VERY important. That’s the first thing he would do when he converted the Jailer. Also, what happens in Acts 19?

2 He said to them, “Did you receive the holy Spirit when you became believers?” They answered him, “We have never even heard that there is a holy Spirit.”*** 3 ****** He said, “How were you baptized?”* They replied, “With the baptism of John.”***** 4 ****** Paul then said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, in Jesus.”****** 5 ****** When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.****** 6 ****** And when Paul laid (his) hands on them, the holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.

***The first thing that Paul asks when they say haven’t received the Holy Spirit is question their baptism. What does that tell you?

 

[nickybr38]

Paul also said that we are all given a different mission, that we are all given a different gift (and I don’t think this meant just ‘spiritual’ gifts either). His mission was to preach, there were others who did the baptising for him… Just because his mission was a particular mission doesn’t mean we all must live exactly like him.

But I’m sure someone more knowledgeable will have a far better way of wording all that. haha.

 

[James224]

Dear all

I was reading 1st Corinthians last night and had one of those, mmm moments. For some reason I couldnt get these out of my head.

“Jesus did not send me to baptise but to preach” or similar

This struck me as it put the emphasis on Pauls preaching rather than his sacramental ministry, which we catholics seem to make prevelant, or at least equal, in our understanding of the mission of the Church.

Now, I am sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this quotation from St Paul, which is fitting with the teachings of the Church (I havent checked the CCC or googled it or anything, Im just looking or some responses)

The thing, is, I dont know how I missed this quote before, I know I have heard most Protestant “mantras” but possibly not this one. Is it one? If it is, or is not, in any case I would like a refresher!

ta.

NII

Good question. Actually, in Matt 28:19 it says, “Going therefore, TEACH ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” DRV Notice it says “TEACH”. The KJV says the same thing. Now, the newer translations say “Preach”. The idea is that an adult person has to know what they are doing before they can be Baptized.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

One should note that Saint Paul did baptize some:

Crispus and Gaius; 15 lest any one should say that you were baptized in my name. 16* (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any one else.)

also the Jailer and his family in Acts 16

And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family.

It appears to me that he baptize when necessary, but in general left the baptizing to others while he taught.

It is important today that the work of spreading the Word be by a team and not a one-man show; lest the credit go to the man instead of the Christ.

 

[Pete_Holter]

Dear all

I was reading 1st Corinthians last night and had one of those, mmm moments. For some reason I couldnt get these out of my head.

“Jesus did not send me to baptise but to preach” or similar

This struck me as it put the emphasis on Pauls preaching rather than his sacramental ministry, which we catholics seem to make prevelant, or at least equal, in our understanding of the mission of the Church.

Now, I am sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this quotation from St Paul, which is fitting with the teachings of the Church (I havent checked the CCC or googled it or anything, Im just looking or some responses)

The thing, is, I dont know how I missed this quote before, I know I have heard most Protestant “mantras” but possibly not this one. Is it one? If it is, or is not, in any case I would like a refresher!

ta.

NII

Pope Clement XIII has us covered on this one!

‘It is necessary, first of all to teach this to the people: The body of Christ was similar to ours, with the exception of sin. It is not only but also sanctifying, capable of suffering, exposed to death, and able to stand in the stead of all of us. Christ offered His body, and us at the same time, to satisfy divine justice (cf. I Pt 3.18). He handed Himself – and us at the same time – to all the torments which our crimes merited. He was condemned to the sorrows of death and suffered the curse given to sinners by the law: death under the harshest tortures. He satisfied the law, for the death and burial of Jesus Christ abolished all sin. The Lord Jesus rose from the grave with the same flesh but it was stripped of its mortality and adorned with glory of eternity. In order that they may be justified, it is necessary for sinners to die with Christ, Who died in their place and in their name. Then they must enter the grave with Christ, in order to leave behind the flesh defiled by sin. They must hand over the old man to the wrath of God and to the death of the sinner, so that by baptism a new man might return to life in us and live again with Christ in immortality and eternal glory…

‘The principal duty of the bishop is to preach the word of God, for the apostle cried: “Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel. It is a duty which has been laid on me” (1 Cor 9:16). The Lord Jesus Christ did not send him primarily to baptize – even though this is a holy action – but especially to preach the gospel (cf. 1 Cor 1:17). We know that the ministry of the word held first place in the minds of the apostles and that these holy men did not neglect this duty (cf. Acts 6:2, 4). For this reason they thought it fitting to entrust to deacons the rest of the charitable works toward their neighbors. St. Paul writes to Timothy: “Make use of the time until I arrive by reading to the people, preaching, and teaching” (1 Tm 4:13)…

‘Therefore, trusting not in ourselves but in the God who raises the dead to life (cf. 2 Cor 1:9), we despise human affairs and cry out to the Lord: “You are my hope in the day of disaster” (Jer 17:17). Let us never be exhausted in body or in spirit, for we are fellow workers with God (cf. 1 Cor 3:9). The Lord Jesus is with us always even to the end of time (cf. Matt 28:20). Therefore let us not be weakened by scandal or persecution, lest we seem ungrateful for God’s favor, since His assistance is as strong as His promises are true’ (A Quo Die).

Perfect!

Your brother in the Lord,
Pete