2 and 3 John. Does anyone else see something odd about them?

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Quite possible two of the shortest books in the Bible are 2 and 3 John. I can’t but help to ask myself sometimes why they are even included in scripture and here is my reasoning. Both letters are sent only to individuals, it doesn’t seem as though he is proclaiming anything new that we haven’t seen in any other of the epistles, but just telling them to keep faith in hardships or when people may go astray. The letters also just seem kind of odd, almost as though John wants to say more but as he says I believe in both letters at the end “I have much more to tell you but I shall say it in person and not on ink and paper”. This almost leads me to wonder, what is it he had to say? Is there something so “important” that he felt he couldn’t place it in the letter, or did he just not feel like writing anymore? I don’t know, don’t get me wrong, I think they are two nice letters, but something has always seemed off about them, not really in the sense that it is strange what is said, but more of what the purpose for including them in the New Testament was. Does anyone else feel this way at all?
 
Quite possible two of the shortest books in the Bible are 2 and 3 John. I can’t but help to ask myself sometimes why they are even included in scripture and here is my reasoning. Both letters are sent only to individuals, it doesn’t seem as though he is proclaiming anything new that we haven’t seen in any other of the epistles, but just telling them to keep faith in hardships or when people may go astray. The letters also just seem kind of odd, almost as though John wants to say more but as he says I believe in both letters at the end “I have much more to tell you but I shall say it in person and not on ink and paper”. This almost leads me to wonder, what is it he had to say? Is there something so “important” that he felt he couldn’t place it in the letter, or did he just not feel like writing anymore? I don’t know, don’t get me wrong, I think they are two nice letters, but something has always seemed off about them, not really in the sense that it is strange what is said, but more of what the purpose for including them in the New Testament was. Does anyone else feel this way at all?
Hi, Jas!
I think you miss the point of the letters. The Epistles are not about conversion. They are about addressing issues within the Believers’ environment.

True there are lengthier ones… but there are issues addressed that both expand the understanding and demonstrates the practice of the Church… how empty is this?:
7 For many seducers are gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is a seducer and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that you lose not the things which you have wrought: but that you may receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever revolteth, and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. (2 St. John 1:7-10)
Heresy was creeping in (Gnosticism); the Apostle warns against allowing such doctrine to take hold; Believers are called to the Unification of the Faith.

Rejection of the Incarnation of the Word is rejection of Jesus: rejection of the Son is rejection of the Father!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
… The letters also just seem kind of odd, almost as though John wants to say more but as he says I believe in both letters at the end “I have much more to tell you but I shall say it in person and not on ink and paper”. This almost leads me to wonder, what is it he had to say? Is there something so “important” that he felt he couldn’t place it in the letter, or did he just not feel like writing anymore? …
There is a lot of important stuff not written down in the books of the Bible but was still passed on to us. We call this Apostolic Tradition.
 
I once read that the paper that they would write the letters on was really expensive. For this reason, sometimes they would just wait until they could be there in person to explain something lengthy.
 
Does anyone else feel this way at all?
The Church has discerned that these epistles are inspired by God, and that’s good enough for me.

Keeping everything on this subjective level of having to personally verify the criteria the Church used is just not something that interests me. We are to be formed by the Church, not seek to form the Church in accordance with our own education, intellect, and understanding.
 
Quite possible two of the shortest books in the Bible are 2 and 3 John. I can’t but help to ask myself sometimes why they are even included in scripture and here is my reasoning. Both letters are sent only to individuals, it doesn’t seem as though he is proclaiming anything new that we haven’t seen in any other of the epistles, but just telling them to keep faith in hardships or when people may go astray. The letters also just seem kind of odd, almost as though John wants to say more but as he says I believe in both letters at the end “I have much more to tell you but I shall say it in person and not on ink and paper”. This almost leads me to wonder, what is it he had to say? Is there something so “important” that he felt he couldn’t place it in the letter, or did he just not feel like writing anymore? I don’t know, don’t get me wrong, I think they are two nice letters, but something has always seemed off about them, not really in the sense that it is strange what is said, but more of what the purpose for including them in the New Testament was. Does anyone else feel this way at all?
I give you a 👍 for having read them, pondering them. One day they might mean more to you, say something to you, or you might recollect them in times of problem. Not all Scripture speaks to us all, all the time.
 
The Church has discerned that these epistles are inspired by God, and that’s good enough for me.

Keeping everything on this subjective level of having to personally verify the criteria the Church used is just not something that interests me. We are to be formed by the Church, not seek to form the Church in accordance with our own education, intellect, and understanding.
Hi, Liam!
…well, all I can say to that is: :clapping::clapping::clapping: :extrahappy::extrahappy::extrahappy:

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Quite possible two of the shortest books in the Bible are 2 and 3 John. I can’t but help to ask myself sometimes why they are even included in scripture and here is my reasoning. Both letters are sent only to individuals, it doesn’t seem as though he is proclaiming anything new that we haven’t seen in any other of the epistles, but just telling them to keep faith in hardships or when people may go astray. The letters also just seem kind of odd, almost as though John wants to say more but as he says I believe in both letters at the end “I have much more to tell you but I shall say it in person and not on ink and paper”. This almost leads me to wonder, what is it he had to say? Is there something so “important” that he felt he couldn’t place it in the letter, or did he just not feel like writing anymore? I don’t know, don’t get me wrong, I think they are two nice letters, but something has always seemed off about them, not really in the sense that it is strange what is said, but more of what the purpose for including them in the New Testament was. Does anyone else feel this way at all?
All the NT letters of St. Paul may not have been available to all the churches ,for the letters were written at different times.

It might be that what St. Paul had to say to that person was too personal to put in a writting. Or it might be that it needed some explaination that written words would fail to express his thoughts in an adequate way. A writing can seem to be rather cold and indifferent.
Psalm 101
Do not hide your face from me: whenever I am troubled, turn to me and hear me.
 
Quite possible two of the shortest books in the Bible are 2 and 3 John. I can’t but help to ask myself sometimes why they are even included in scripture and here is my reasoning. Both letters are sent only to individuals, it doesn’t seem as though he is proclaiming anything new that we haven’t seen in any other of the epistles, but just telling them to keep faith in hardships or when people may go astray. The letters also just seem kind of odd, almost as though John wants to say more but as he says I believe in both letters at the end “I have much more to tell you but I shall say it in person and not on ink and paper”. This almost leads me to wonder, what is it he had to say? Is there something so “important” that he felt he couldn’t place it in the letter, or did he just not feel like writing anymore? I don’t know, don’t get me wrong, I think they are two nice letters, but something has always seemed off about them, not really in the sense that it is strange what is said, but more of what the purpose for including them in the New Testament was. Does anyone else feel this way at all?
I read ‘The Gospel and Letters of Saint John’ as all part of his work. Saint John was[is] a pretty darn good preacher and evangelist. 1 John, particularly, is one of my favourite books of the bible.

Putting on a biblical expert scholar hat. (I opened my Jerusalem Bible to the very concise Introduction to Letters of Saint John) [bolding added]

" The letters
The three letters we have, and which by tradition bear John’s name, are so like the gospel in style and doctrine that it is difficult not to accept the same John as their author. For a time the Johannine authorship of the second and third letters was in doubt, and traces of this uncertainty are to be found in Origen, Eusebius of Caesarea and Jerome, while the church of Antioch and the Syrian churches in general refused for a long time to accept them; however, these brief, incidental letters are of no doctrinal import, and it is hard to see how they could have forced their way into the canon had they not in fact come from John.

The third letter was probably written first: it is an attempt to settle the dispute on jurisdiction which had arisen in one of the churches acknowledging John’s authority; the second letter was written to another church in answer to those who publicly denied the reality of the incarnation. The first letter however is by far the most important: its form is that of an encyclical letter to the Christian communities of Asia, threatened with disintegration under the impact of the early heresies. In this letter John summarises the entire content of his religious experience. He successively develops the parallel themes of light, 1:5f, righteousness, 2:29f, love, 4:7-8f, and truth, 5:6f, and then taking these as a basis he goes on to show how we as children of God must necessarily live the life of integrity which, for John, is the only thing which fulfils the twin commandments: faith in Jesus Christ, the son of God, and love of the brethren (cf. notes to 1:3,7). Of John’s three letters this is the closest to his gospel both in style and doctrine; it must have been written about the same time, but whether before or after is something that cannot now be determined. "
 
These are two of the Books of the Bible which Luther wished (unsuccessfully) to remove, as well as Hebrews and James and Revelation?
As we know he did remove seven OT Books.
 
These are two of the Books of the Bible which Luther wished (unsuccessfully) to remove, as well as Hebrews and James and Revelation?
As we know he did remove seven OT Books.
Hi, Moro!
…actually, Luther did not removed them from the Canon of the Bible; he did place them in a separate section since he deem them approved but not inspired.

While the 1611 was revised “well intended” printers/scholars determined that they should be left out of the print (check 1611 Canon, it includes all 73 books); well, once that was done, all Protestants believe that their take is inspired–so much so that some teach that the Catholic Church has “added” to Scriptures! Talk about “…the road” being paved with good intentions!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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