389AD, Bishops of Rome - Are Women Human?

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Hi All,

In a conversation with a colleague recently she mentioned that in 384AD Bishops of Rome and representatives met in Lyon France for a Council. The item on the agenda was ‘are women human’ and won by one vote. I couldn’t find much information on this. Does anyone have any information on this? We were discussing how various cultures have differences in their views towards women when this came up.
 
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I would recommend that you please ask your colleague for a reliable source so that you can read more about this. Frankly, it sounds like misinformation, as the First Council of Lyon wasn’t until the 1200s and had to do with the Holy Roman Emperor and the Holy Land, not with the humanity of women. The two councils in the 300s (Nicaea and Constantinople), in addition to not being anywhere near Lyon, were concerned with clarifying teachings about Christ, repudiating heresies, and recognizing holy sees.

If your colleague doesn’t have a reliable source and just says they got it from the Internet or from a Youtube video etc then you can dismiss the whole thing as being bunk from someone’s imagination.
 
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Utter garbage. Made up date, and the ‘legend’ about women is based on a LUTHERAN pastor’s (in the 17th century) making up a story based on remarks of St. Gregory of Tours who had referred to a STORY about one of the councils of Macon in which supposedly the bishops in attendance were defining the Latin word “Homo” and ONE bishop supposedly questioned whether that would refer to women as well as men. The bishops roundly concurred that women as well as men were obviously both human beings as Scripture itself mentioned, “Male and female He (God) created them”.

I would wonder about the colleague, frankly. I suppose there are still plenty of people around who think The Onion is a real web site and not a parody one, and who read trash like this and think it’s ‘real history’, but it surely doesn’t speak well of any person’s educational status (or lack thereof) to be so ignorant of real history and so credulous as to present something like this as as a ‘concern’. Sad.
 
I found a good article talking about what stpurl said. “First Things” is a scholarly ecumenical magazine and well respected. It appears that some guy trying to make money is the first one who came up with the idea and published it, without the endorsement of the Church. The article points out that the Pope at the time the idea was published put the work on the “Index of Forbidden Books”, so this idea of women not being human/ not having souls has never been accepted by the Church.

But then some Lutheran minister decided to keep pushing the false idea that the Church had actually decided that women didn’t have souls at a council. The same Lutheran minister wrote another pamphlet promoting polygamy (having multiple wives).

 
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