667 Muslims Per Hour Converting to Christianity

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More information about Ayaan Hirsi Ali can be found at
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

It seems she became infatuated with Freud’s “alternative moral system”. Oh, btw, she is opposed to religious schools (Catholic, too :eek:) recieving any government support.
Also, there are some questions as to whether she is holocaust deny-er.

Look, I left Islam, mainly, because of my concerns, of its tendency to cosmis legal positvism. I still respect much about Islam and Muslims. Just as I respect much about Jews and Judaism. I disagree with both, but I understand that, at their core, is a commitment or relationship to One God. There are elements of Islam that I abhorr, like institutionalized rape of slaves. There are also, though, things of Islam that are admirable. For example, the level of commitment that Muslims take to pray 5 times (on time) every day is admirable. I wish Christians could have the same commitment level to their religious duties.
All that I have seen or read about or by Ayaan Hirsi Ali leaves me with a less than positive view of her moral views. She has some valid concerns about Islamic Law and I share many of these views. However, there are faithful Muslim men and women who have been saying the same things for years. She stated in one interview that I saw something to the effect that Islam was bad because she could not have sex with anyone she wanted. I looks like she embraces hedonism, from my perspective, and I will not support that.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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And remember , media is anti-Islam ; there are lots of propaganda against Islam / Muslim /Quran/ Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Still non-Muslims mostly women are embracing the Truth …praise be to God only.

I think you have it wrong there. IMHO it is Christianity especially Catholicism that the media is against. I don’t think they like our morals. They want to do what they please and not have to answer to God. And the millions of babies they abort every year is despicable.

I do think that you are right about the number of Islam converts though.

Peace
Jeanne
 
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And remember , media is anti-Islam ; there are lots of propaganda against Islam / Muslim /Quran/ Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Still non-Muslims mostly women are embracing the Truth …praise be to God only.

I think you have it wrong there. IMHO it is Christianity especially Catholicism that the media is against. I don’t think they like our morals. They want to do what they please and not have to answer to God. And the millions of babies they abort every year is despicable.

I do think that you are right about the number of Islam converts though.

Peace
Jeanne

Just a thought :newidea:
Perhaps the media bias is hedonism and ANYTHING that stands in the way of their pleasure is wrong.
 
More information about Ayaan Hirsi Ali can be found at
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

It seems she became infatuated with Freud’s “alternative moral system”. Oh, btw, she is opposed to religious schools (Catholic, too :eek:) recieving any government support.
Also, there are some questions as to whether she is holocaust deny-er.

Look, I left Islam, mainly, because of my concerns, of its tendency to cosmis legal positvism. I still respect much about Islam and Muslims. Just as I respect much about Jews and Judaism. I disagree with both, but I understand that, at their core, is a commitment or relationship to One God. There are elements of Islam that I abhorr, like institutionalized rape of slaves. There are also, though, things of Islam that are admirable. For example, the level of commitment that Muslims take to pray 5 times (on time) every day is admirable. I wish Christians could have the same commitment level to their religious duties.
All that I have seen or read about or by Ayaan Hirsi Ali leaves me with a less than positive view of her moral views. She has some valid concerns about Islamic Law and I share many of these views. However, there are faithful Muslim men and women who have been saying the same things for years. She stated in one interview that I saw something to the effect that Islam was bad because she could not have sex with anyone she wanted. I looks like she embraces hedonism, from my perspective, and I will not support that.
Dear Eichen.
I am not going to defend Hirsi. I think she choose the wrong path but that some of her criticism is valid. Also, I believe she is honest in her description of her life in the book mentioned.

I agree with you that there are admirable things in islam and there are many a virtuous Muslim in the world.
However, I am suspicious to call religious outward behaviour a clear sign of true inner devotion or love of God.
I discussed this with a Muslim friend.
He wanted to make me a Muslim and said: “Grace: Look, Islam is better… we are to pray five times a day… and you Christians dont pray…”
I anwered him: “It is written: NEVER cease praying and always give thanks”,
That too I will say to you Eichen, many Christians walk with God and pray 1000 times a day, but there is no outward sign. I know this because I do this myself. I work at a hospital… when I see a patient or an ambulance I pray… for instance. Whenever something comes to someones heart we know God is right next to us listening.
I have known people who spent severel hours a day praying, and they were not only priests and nuns but also normal people. They did so out of inner urge and love of Christ.

I love the outward expressions like in Judaism and Islam… love the sight of a praying person. But I like it more when I see a prostrated Christian than when I see a prostrated Muslim, because I know that the Christian did it out of his heart and may be speaking constantly to God in his heart, whereas the Muslim doing his salat is following a rule and may not be there in his heart.

But as the disciple Peter said: “God sees the just in every nation”. He knows who loves Him and who love their neighbour and who is just following a religious ritual.

Sorry, I guess I am off topic. I am off to Mass. Maybe you will share your testimony with us sometime Eichen? That would be cool…

Peace and Salaam:)
 
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To them she was impure because she had been raped.
holy Quran does not teach so .
They brougt to him a woman who was a complete cripple and he healed her in the name of the Lord Jesus.
so many US soldiers are injured in Iraq & Afghanistan . That Christian should be send there to cure them .
 
Dear Eichen.
I am not going to defend Hirsi. I think she choose the wrong path but that some of her criticism is valid. Also, I believe she is honest in her description of her life in the book mentioned.

I agree with you that there are admirable things in islam and there are many a virtuous Muslim in the world.
However, I am suspicious to call religious outward behaviour a clear sign of true inner devotion or love of God.
I discussed this with a Muslim friend.
He wanted to make me a Muslim and said: “Grace: Look, Islam is better… we are to pray five times a day… and you Christians dont pray…”
I anwered him: “It is written: NEVER cease praying and always give thanks”,
That too I will say to you Eichen, many Christians walk with God and pray 1000 times a day, but there is no outward sign. I know this because I do this myself. I work at a hospital… when I see a patient or an ambulance I pray… for instance. Whenever something comes to someones heart we know God is right next to us listening.
I have known people who spent severel hours a day praying, and they were not only priests and nuns but also normal people. They did so out of inner urge and love of Christ.

I love the outward expressions like in Judaism and Islam… love the sight of a praying person. But I like it more when I see a prostrated Christian than when I see a prostrated Muslim, because I know that the Christian did it out of his heart and may be speaking constantly to God in his heart, whereas the Muslim doing his salat is following a rule and may not be there in his heart.

But as the disciple Peter said: “God sees the just in every nation”. He knows who loves Him and who love their neighbour and who is just following a religious ritual.

Sorry, I guess I am off topic. I am off to Mass. Maybe you will share your testimony with us sometime Eichen? That would be cool…

Peace and Salaam:)
You should know that a Muslim has a formal prayer 5 times a day and informal prayers or supplication. The formal prayers are called Salat. This is performed 5 times a day, preferably in a Mosque for men, according to a set of movements and words. This is roughly equivalent to a liturgy. The second form is called Dua’a. This meaning to call on God. The devout Muslims will attempt to keep their lips moist in calling on God; to borrow a phrase from Hadith literature. This exactly equates to what you do. Christians, in the western world, have become queasy about God demanding anything of us. This is fundamental to Islam. We have choices about most things in life, but not on issues related to the obligation to God. Catholics should take the lead from Muslims and actually believe and ferverantly practice Catholicism.
 
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According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.

Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.
Chester Kamal Saleen who was a member of the PLO was recently on the 700 club. His video is on youtube. He completely debunks the muslim religion and speaks of Christ literally manifesting HIMSELF to muslims everyday. Apparently they are big into dreams and this is where Christ is reaching them. He also noted the 6 million per year conversion rate of Muslims to Christianity.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.

Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.
Not sure I agree with that number :rolleyes:
 
Chester Kamal Saleen who was a member of the PLO was recently on the 700 club. His video is on youtube. He completely debunks the muslim religion and speaks of Christ literally manifesting HIMSELF to muslims everyday. Apparently they are big into dreams and this is where Christ is reaching them. He also noted the 6 million per year conversion rate of Muslims to Christianity.
the 700 club :bigyikes:
 
Christians, in the western world, have become queasy about God demanding anything of us. This is fundamental to Islam. We have choices about most things in life, but not on issues related to the obligation to God. Catholics should take the lead from Muslims and actually believe and ferverantly practice Catholicism.
But I believe that in every religion there are people who are truly humble followers of God’s Command and then there are many who don’t. I see no difference between Muslims and Christians when it comes to number of pious people.
Among Christians I have met people who like to follow their own heart and passions, but so I have met many among the Muslims. I have met Muslims that were good and obeying people and I have met Christians that were good and obeying people.
Some of the sins I have seen very much among Muslims I lived and worked with was adultery, slandering, lying, treating women and men differently, hypocrisy, secret drinking and having much pride. These sins stood out particularly clearly because these people claimed to be religious and many of them went to mosque. I had a friend who was an apostate. His father was imam but he himself had lost the faith in Allah. He said to me: “These religious people brand me, they talk badly about me because I drink alcohol and my hair is long so they can see I am not muslim any more. Théy look at porn and cheat their wives, I dont do these things, but still they say I am the bad one”. I found this both sad and thought provoking.
Most people in the West dont say “I am Christian”, if they say it they most often take it seriously. So the sins I see among Christians are different, but all sins are sins and all of that is displeasing to God and so I point not to any pious Muslim or to any pious Christian but only really to Jesus Christ. He is our measure and our role model above all. His Names are Love and Compassion, and His Justice has become mercy for your sake and mine.

We all have a long way to walk before we are truly humble and holy. Everyone of us is a sinner in need of forgiveness.
I have met truly few people that layed their life down to serve others in love and compassion and holiness. These people were not many, but they were inspired by Christ and worked in His Spirit.

Peace…
Anyway. Let us not make this a competition about what kinds of believers are most holy, Christians or Muslims. I am sure you have met many more Muslims than I have and I have met many more Christians than you have. I have seen lives changed and people healed from even last stages of cancer in the name of Jesus. I have met many who have seen Christ’s Face. You will have testimonies from the faith you grew up in, I have testimonies from mine.
 
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Christians ( not only Missionaries but soldiers also ) are very active in inviting people in to their religion . That’s good but they must not take advantage of people’s poverty.

‘Witness for Jesus’ in Afghanistan

By Al Jazeera - Video and Text

US soldiers have been encouraged to spread the message of their Christian faith among Afghanistan’s predominantly Muslim population, video footage obtained by Al Jazeera appears to show.

Military chaplains stationed in the US air base at Bagram were also filmed with bibles printed in the country’s main Pashto and Dari languages.

informationclearinghouse.info/article22544.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...goBlobs&blobwhere=1241454253557&ssbinary=true

The footage showed a church sermon at the US airbase in Bagram, where soldiers had a stack of bible printed in local Afghan languages.

…“The special forces guys - they hunt men basically. We do the same things as Christians, we hunt people for Jesus. We do, we hunt them down,” Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Hensley, the chief military chaplain in Afghanistan, tells the soldiers.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1239888629734&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Christians ( not only Missionaries but soldiers also ) are very active in inviting people in to their religion . That’s good but they must not take advantage of people’s poverty.

‘Witness for Jesus’ in Afghanistan

By Al Jazeera - Video and Text

US soldiers have been encouraged to spread the message of their Christian faith among Afghanistan’s predominantly Muslim population, video footage obtained by Al Jazeera appears to show.

Military chaplains stationed in the US air base at Bagram were also filmed with bibles printed in the country’s main Pashto and Dari languages.

informationclearinghouse.info/article22544.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...goBlobs&blobwhere=1241454253557&ssbinary=true

The footage showed a church sermon at the US airbase in Bagram, where soldiers had a stack of bible printed in local Afghan languages.

…“The special forces guys - they hunt men basically. We do the same things as Christians, we hunt people for Jesus. We do, we hunt them down,” Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Hensley, the chief military chaplain in Afghanistan, tells the soldiers.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1239888629734&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout
This may be true for some individual soldiers, but it is expressly against the policies of the US military. Americans have this strange idea of freedom of religion and some soldiers invite others to Christianity, despite formal policies. What if a US soldier is Muslim (which many are)? Do you this they ought to be able to invite other US soldiers (Christian) to Islam? This reminds me of when Muslims insist that they have religious freedom in Christian countries, but refuse those same freedoms to Christians in places like KSA.
 
It is said that Missionaries give rice , money , jobs to convert them. Muslim missionaries are not that active as they should be still Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world 🙂

And its said that Muslims don’t take care of their own brothers (like the Palestinians and the Kurts) but leave them starving and suffering to be tended to by Christian people. I read in the Book Infidel by Hirsi Ali that she met a woman who was dying after having been gang raped in Somalia. The Muslim woman was covered in wounds and repeating all the time: “Allah have mercy on me”. But not one of the people in the whole place came to help her. To them she was impure because she had been raped. Shortly after, she died.
:sad_yes:

Sadly that’s true, even some Muslims here in Saudi Arabia look at the divorced woman as a pre-sinner.
 
This reminds me of when Muslims insist that they have religious freedom in Christian countries, but refuse those same freedoms to Christians in places like KSA.
"A Muslim group that wants to open a giant £100 million mosque in London has set its sights on “winning the whole of Britain to Islam”.

"One leading advocate, Ebrahim Rangooni, has said that the movement seeks to “rescue the ummah [the global Muslim community] from the culture and civilisation of the Jews, the Christians and [other] enemies of Islam”. Its aim, he wrote, is to “create such hatred for their ways as human beings have for urine and excreta”.

"Shabbir Daji, a trustee and secretary of the Tablighi Jamaat mosque in Dewsbury, told The Times that the movement’s aim was “unity among all humanity”. He said that it had no hidden agenda. “We never come out on demonstrations against the Government,” he said. “Our aim is to make each and everyone . . . a better Muslim.”

timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2419524.ece
 
NOW I’m going to speak up.

You CONVENIENTLY left off this very important fact:
  1. These bibles WERE NOT DISTRIBUTED to the local population because it is against U.S. military rule. They NEVER went off base.
It’s interesting how you present half truths to use “against” us. Quite nefarious, if I do say so myself.
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Christians ( not only Missionaries but soldiers also ) are very active in inviting people in to their religion . That’s good but they must not take advantage of people’s poverty.

‘Witness for Jesus’ in Afghanistan

By Al Jazeera - Video and Text

US soldiers have been encouraged to spread the message of their Christian faith among Afghanistan’s predominantly Muslim population, video footage obtained by Al Jazeera appears to show.

Military chaplains stationed in the US air base at Bagram were also filmed with bibles printed in the country’s main Pashto and Dari languages.

informationclearinghouse.info/article22544.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...goBlobs&blobwhere=1241454253557&ssbinary=true

The footage showed a church sermon at the US airbase in Bagram, where soldiers had a stack of bible printed in local Afghan languages.

…“The special forces guys - they hunt men basically. We do the same things as Christians, we hunt people for Jesus. We do, we hunt them down,” Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Hensley, the chief military chaplain in Afghanistan, tells the soldiers.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1239888629734&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout
 
NOW I’m going to speak up.

You CONVENIENTLY left off this very important fact:
  1. These bibles WERE NOT DISTRIBUTED to the local population because it is against U.S. military rule. They NEVER went off base.
It’s interesting how you present half truths to use “against” us. Quite nefarious, if I do say so myself.
Its not the first time a Muslim here fabricated a false story. Hadi did it too… to my disapointment because she seemed like a really interesting candidate for a discussion.
A friend of mine who have travelled to a lot of countries in the Middle East once said: “I love the Muslims, but they have a strained relationship with honesty”. I have had the same experience myself.
I think they follow the example of their prophet …
 
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