A couple of questions for Mormons....

[JHow]

Please be a little more specific. Perhaps you could start s thread telling us specific doctrines that we have gotten wrong. That way, this thread is not derailed. Be aware, many of thre things we have posted we stated WERE TAUGHT. That does not mean there will be a link. The LDS are good at changing their doctrine and teachings and covering up the past. Even YOU admitted you had heard about Jesus having Mary Magdelene as a wife

Mark my words…this will all end with someone quoting Bruce McKonkie’s Mormon Doctrine and being told that that is not an official source.

 

[zaffiroborant]

I didn’t say he didn’t make a translation of parts of the Bible: it was claimed he did this first, which is untrue. After completion of The Book of Mormon while reading The Bible he felt prompted that there were clarifications, interpolations and such that we’re intended to be a part of these records, that could be restored by The Holy Spirit.

So?
Unless you can provide a link to where this was adopted as doctrine (became binding I believe would be the appropriate Catholic-speak), and is taught now (I.e. an lds.org link) then you have no basis for your argument on this point.

Not strictly true, but essentially, and there’s not much point being picky over it.
Our Gospel Principles manual states:
“**1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ **(see D&C 76:62).
2. They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23).
3. They will be united eternally with their righteous family members and will be able to have eternal increase.
4. They will receive a fulness of joy.
5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have—all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge (see D&C 132:19–20). President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to His commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:36; italics in original).”

Why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned?

 

[theidler]

Yep, undoubtedly. It’s all very frustrating isn’t it? And Mormon_Cultist seems to be avoiding my questions on prophets on the other thread “Questions about Prophets” too.
It’s difficult to get a real concrete answer it seems.

 

[TexanKnight]

Mark my words…this will all end with someone quoting Bruce McKonkie’s Mormon Doctrine and being told that that is not an official source.

Yep. He published the book…it was all fine…then, there were complaints. He was told to change it. They were so upset at him, for dissing the Catholics that they made him an Apostle.

 

[Telstar]

Why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned?

You know, that’s something that I’ve often wondered about, too. They make a huge deal about the church having the name of Jesus in it’s title, because they claim any church that doesn’t have His name, isn’t really His. They’re always very careful to make sure that all of their prayers are aimed at ‘Eternal Father’, just in the name of Jesus (because they wouldn’t even think about praying to Him), so they can make sure they can get their inheritance of “all things”. But, when it comes to the Holy Spirit, He barely gets any recognition at all, except when they need to defend the ‘prophet’, or the BoM, or the ‘burning in the bosom’ that testifies to the truth of it all.

I’m beginning to think they might believe (collectively as a church/people), that they’re all the actual embodiment of the Holy Spirit. That would certainly explain why they wouldn’t worry too much about Him not having a ‘body of flesh and bone’ like the Father and Son. They’d be the only bodies He’d need. Right?

 

[PaulDupre]

Yep. He published the book…it was all fine…then, there were complaints. He was told to change it. They were so upset at him, for dissing the Catholics that they made him an Apostle.

Bruce McConkie achieved success the old-fashioned way - he married the boss’s daughter. McConkie was married to prophet Joseph Fielding Smith’s daughter Amelia.

 

[Mormon_Cultist]

I’m beginning to think they might believe (collectively as a church/people), that they’re all the actual embodiment of the Holy Spirit. That would certainly explain why they wouldn’t worry too much about Him not having a ‘body of flesh and bone’ like the Father and Son. They’d be the only bodies He’d need. Right?

The Holy Ghost has a specific mission with us here on earth. He testifies of truth, speaking directly to our spirit in such a way that it is impossible to misunderstand His communications to us; once we learn properly how to listen and recognise them. It is therefore necessary for Him to continue as a spirit for the present time, so He is able to dwell within us.
I have, admittedly, wondered if/when He gets a body of flesh and bone myself; but its not a question that has any relevance to my own living according to God’s laws, is it.

 

[TexanKnight]

The Holy Ghost has a specific mission with us here on earth. He testifies of truth, speaking directly to our spirit in such a way that it is impossible to misunderstand His communications to us; once we learn properly how to listen and recognise them. It is therefore necessary for Him to continue as a spirit for the present time, so He is able to dwell within us.
I have, admittedly, wondered if/when He gets a body of flesh and bone myself; but its not a question that has any relevance to my own living according to God’s laws, is it.

People claim the Holy Spirit led them to James Jones, others to Ellen White. Others claim the same about the Baptist Church, Lutheran Church, and others. The Holy Spirit sure seems fickle…

 

[CourtAdvocate]

Please be a little more specific. Perhaps you could start s thread telling us specific doctrines that we have gotten wrong. That way, this thread is not derailed. Be aware, many of thre things we have posted we stated WERE TAUGHT. That does not mean there will be a link. The LDS are good at changing their doctrine and teachings and covering up the past. Even YOU admitted you had heard about Jesus having Mary Magdelene as a wife

My recommendation on learning the doctrines that you have wrong based on the usual “folklore” – go to the official LDS website.

Of course, if do not have to do that and continue to believe the “folklore”, which explains in my mind how you are wrong.

 

[TexanKnight]

My recommendation on learning the doctrines that you have wrong based on the usual “folklore” – go to the official LDS website.

Of course, if do not have to do that and continue to believe the “folklore”, which explains in my mind how you are wrong.

Nice try, but you are trying it on the wrong person. I WAS LDS. I served a mission…did you? I was in the Elder’s Quorum in my ward. I was in the Bishopric in my Ward, I was a Stake Missionary.

This is how I know YOU are wrong and following false prophets.

 

[Mormon_Cultist]

Nice try, but you are trying it on the wrong person. I WAS LDS. I served a mission…did you? I was in the Elder’s Quorum in my ward. I was in the Bishopric in my Ward, I was a Stake Missionary.

This is how I know YOU are wrong and following false prophets.

And what about individuals who have come the opposite direction and make similar claims?

 

[Telstar]

The Holy Ghost has a specific mission with us here on earth. He testifies of truth, speaking directly to our spirit in such a way that it is impossible to misunderstand His communications to us; once we learn properly how to listen and recognise them. It is therefore necessary for Him to continue as a spirit for the present time, so He is able to dwell within us.
I have, admittedly, wondered if/when He gets a body of flesh and bone myself; but its not a question that has any relevance to my own living according to God’s laws, is it.

If what you say is true, that it’s impossible to “misunderstand His communications” once one learns how to do it, then how do you explain the original Apostles not understanding how to pass that knowledge on to their successors to the point that they completely derailed, shortly after the Apostles died? How could their followers have gone so far astray, so quickly? How do you also explain the many “false prophets” that were already preaching error, while all of the Apostles were still alive, prompting them to write letters warning others not to listen to them and be drawn away from the truth?

Anyone can be fooled into thinking they are being led by the Holy Spirit, when it’s really just the devil telling them lies. That’s what he does, and it’s very easy for anyone to be fooled by him. Anyone that thinks they can always tell the difference between the two is only fooling themselves. That’s exactly what the devil wants us to think. Then we won’t question what we’re “inspired” to do, by him. He even tried to fool Jesus, so he has no qualms about targeting anyone else. That’s why we always need to be careful who we listen to about our spiritual direction, and not depend on our own ‘feelings’, because our own feelings can’t be trusted to always be correct.

 

[TexanKnight]

And what about individuals who have come the opposite direction and make similar claims?

They are fooled like I was. But that was not the point. You acted like I had not read and/or did not know about the LDS Church but I probably know more than you do. Did you serve a mission?

 

[CourtAdvocate]

Nice try, but you are trying it on the wrong person. I WAS LDS. I served a mission…did you? I was in the Elder’s Quorum in my ward. I was in the Bishopric in my Ward, I was a Stake Missionary.

This is how I know YOU are wrong and following false prophets.

I served a mission, served in quorum presidency, etc so you should remember the gift of Holy Ghost and how one can arrive to the truth. It is unfortunate the prophets are now false to you.
That is your choice.

I am confident you could say what you will convince me otherwise — on the forums no chance at all.