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Sabbath_Keeper
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It’s there as well. Call up the link.
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patrick457
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From wikipedia:
So, you do get some credit.
The problem is, when some people say ‘Catholic Church’, it often means ‘a sector of the Church’ or ‘a number of Catholics’ as opposed to ‘the Church as a whole’. Sure, many may have disliked them and connected them with witches but it’s not like ALL Catholics in countries affected by the Black Death went out, implements in tow, and hunted down the nearest feline they could find.
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Sam_777
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“The Catholic Church connected them and those who loved them with paganism, devil worship, and witchcraft.”
But that doesn’t show that the CC is calling cats “satanic creatures”!
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Sabbath_Keeper
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Hmm, can we go with “implied”?
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Nickkname
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Well, Mickey Mouse is a fictional character, so I don’t see how they can attack him.
Unless…
Unless the terrorists plan to attack our imaginations?!
It would be like the South Park episodes!
(It’s imaginable)I will, however, pray for the people who work at Disney. They are real people.
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Psalter
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SabbathKeeper, it sounds like an urban myth that has been circulating, not a “historic fact.” I studied History in college, and did a project (which included a 20-page research paper) on the “Black Death” (the bubonic plague) and I have never seen any credible historical sources say the Pope ordered the burning of cats.
There were no references on the website you linked to either, SabbathKeeper…do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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7_Sorrows
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irrational cartoons created by irrational people who believe in an irrational religion and in turn creating a new irrational generation.
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Sabbath_Keeper
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Firstly, this is not an urban myth.
Secondly, I never said the POPE ordered the BURNING of cats.
Thirdly, Cats in general, for whatever reason, have long been associated with devil worship and paganism, it goes all the way back to before Christ was even born.
Fouthly, Purhaps your research is lacking.
Fifth, where the heck do you think the information on the internet comes from? Agreed, alot on this source is misleading, misconstrued and down right proposterous, however, a person looking for valid information can get that as well. Before condemning and ridiculing ones information please look into the source that is being refered. Closing ones mind to knowledge is just a bad as having no knowledge at all.
And lastly, you comments sound more like a denial of history in defense of and action caused by superstitious Christians within the Church. You assume that I am blaming the Church itself for this tragedy, which is not the case. But a lesson needs to be learned here. It would never had occurred had rational reasoning been used. I.E. rats are unclean, cats kill rats, if cats can’t kill rats the rats spread their uncleanness. Conclusion, disease. Of course the world back then also had a misconception of how this interacted back then. I.E. spontaneous creation, where in carcasses degenerated and PRODUCED flies. They didn’t connect magots with flies so they just BECAME.
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Americanrevert
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Amazing how people just believe what they wish and write what they wish!
Ya gonna sit there and tell me that throughout history America hasn’t cheated, killed, slaughtered innocents? My anscestors?? But yet, disney is there and everything is cool? Beevis and Butthead are what?? great to a christian? S e x is ok? But yet a cartoon character trying to raise spirits of those who are tortured on a daily basis, hardly no fresh drinking water, approximately one potatoe to family, torn clothes is what to yall? a Party mix for extremists? What extremists?? They can’t live one day with what we have and you blast with harshness to what you have no idea of!
Shame on the Christians who do this
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Ya gonna sit there and tell me that throughout history America hasn’t cheated, killed, slaughtered innocents? My anscestors?? But yet, disney is there and everything is cool? Beevis and Butthead are what?? great to a christian? S e x is ok? But yet a cartoon character trying to raise spirits of those who are tortured on a daily basis, hardly no fresh drinking water, approximately one potatoe to family, torn clothes is what to yall? a Party mix for extremists? What extremists?? They can’t live one day with what we have and you blast with harshness to what you have no idea of!
Shame on the Christians who do this
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Sabbath_Keeper
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Whoa, I think you were missing the point. On one hand you have the comdemnation of cartoon mouse stating that all rats/mice are unclean and should be exterminated by a religious person and yet on the other hand a cartoon mouse is used by the SAME religion he professes. Kind of hypicritical (sp) if you ask me.
May God lead us to understanding
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valient_Lucy
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How can they?! Looney Toons are also evil! The cartoons regularly show an adult man being aroused by a crossdressing male rabbit!Just as long as he leaves Bugs Bunny and Looney Tunes alone.
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Americanrevert
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If you want to know, in Islam, we are not to imitate what the disbelievers do. This is forbidden in Islam…birthdays, celebrations, etc.
The mouse, well, it is known throughout the world as a lovely “mickey mouse”…the idea wasn’t there to steal and cause havoc to the world’s belief systems. It was used to help the children…certain things they are used to like hearing their family member gettin killed by guns, house wiped clean by a tank, family member tortured in the street etc…these things happen to these children on daily basis’ and children love and recognize mickey mouse…they see it as a happy thing. But this is not to say that Muslims should copy. They could have used another disguise/character.
In Islam, rodents cause disease and scientists can tell you exactly the same thing. Something else should have been put instead of a mouse and if Muslims would have followed their religion correctly, other things may have been done.
To make fun of something like this stems from both sides…ignorance and not finding the truth in religion before attempting to educate the young and suffering. Again, their ignorances led to chaos. Non Muslims also caused havoc. Both are equal of ignorance and not educating themselves properly.
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k5thbeatle
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First, you buy products from Acme…Has anyone bothered to ask the Sheikh how he plans on killing a cartoon character?
I guess Roadrunner or Daffy Duck cartoons are not available in the Kingdom? If you see those cartoons, you know the animal chracters will blow themselves up or drop themselves off a cliff, but they are always alive again in the next scene!
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dzheremi
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Are birthdays really forbidden in Islam? I didn’t know that. I have a friend, born in Qatar to Pakistani parents, and he showed me pictures of his sister’s birthday celebrations only a few months ago. It seemed like a joyous occasion, and the father of the family (a devout Muslim; his son, my friend, is not so devout, but still apparently goes to mosque for the benefit of his parents and the family’s reputation) is seen in them. He isn’t smiling, but he is there, so I guess he must approve enough to let it happen. Maybe this is someting more specific to Muslims of the subcontinent than to the rest of the Islamic world, though. Hmm.
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Americanrevert
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Hello,
Yes, birthdays are forbidden in Islam.
***“Whoever does something that is a not part of this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) will have it rejected” ***(reported by Muslim in his Saheeh); and ***“The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The most evil of things are those which have been newly invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” ***There are many other ahadith that convey the same meaning.
(here is the hadith about the lizard hole)
“You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” (Reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”
So it is plain enough in the religion if Muslims would only learn their own religion!!!
americanrevert
Yes, birthdays are forbidden in Islam.
Yes, it may be joyous to them and to many other Muslims who do not abide by the teachings in the religion of Islam. Many are ignorant and it is stated in sahih ahadith that may Muslims will copy and follow them even to the small little hole of a lizard (meaning they will enter into it with them). It is a made up celebration and we do not celebrate but only on two occasions…both Eids. Yes, we can have parties etc…(halal ones lol) and we give gifts to encourage love between each other etc., but to copy the disbelievers in their actions is wrong and it is stated so in sahih ahadith. It is an innovation in belief and has nothing to do in regards to sharee’ah.
***“Whoever does something that is a not part of this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) will have it rejected” ***(reported by Muslim in his Saheeh); and ***“The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The most evil of things are those which have been newly invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” ***There are many other ahadith that convey the same meaning.
(here is the hadith about the lizard hole)
“You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” (Reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”
So it is plain enough in the religion if Muslims would only learn their own religion!!!
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Sam_777
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Update:
After researching more & more on why mouses should be killed in Islam, I found that there is a link between the mouses and the Jewish people, in the two authentic hadiths below, Muhammed claims that certain group of Jewish people has deformed into rats, so maybe our Islamic clerics nowadays think that all mouses are Jews therefore they should be killed !!!
Sahih Muslim, Book 042, Number 7135:
“Abu Huraira reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: A group of Bani Isra’il was lost. I do not know what happened to it, but I think (that it 'underwent a process of metamorphosis) and assumed the shape of rats. Don’t you see when the milk of the camel is placed before them, these do not drink and when the milk of goat is placed before them, these do drink…”
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Sahih Muslim, Book 042, Number 7136:
“Abu Huraira reported that the rat (is the result of) metamorphosis (of a group of Bani Isra’il) and the proof of this is that when the milk of goat is placed before it, it drinks it, and when the milk of the camel is placed before it, it would not taste it at all. Ka’b said: Did you hear it from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him)? Thereupon he said: Has Torah been revealed to me?”
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After researching more & more on why mouses should be killed in Islam, I found that there is a link between the mouses and the Jewish people, in the two authentic hadiths below, Muhammed claims that certain group of Jewish people has deformed into rats, so maybe our Islamic clerics nowadays think that all mouses are Jews therefore they should be killed !!!
Sahih Muslim, Book 042, Number 7135:
“Abu Huraira reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: A group of Bani Isra’il was lost. I do not know what happened to it, but I think (that it 'underwent a process of metamorphosis) and assumed the shape of rats. Don’t you see when the milk of the camel is placed before them, these do not drink and when the milk of goat is placed before them, these do drink…”
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Sahih Muslim, Book 042, Number 7136:
“Abu Huraira reported that the rat (is the result of) metamorphosis (of a group of Bani Isra’il) and the proof of this is that when the milk of goat is placed before it, it drinks it, and when the milk of the camel is placed before it, it would not taste it at all. Ka’b said: Did you hear it from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him)? Thereupon he said: Has Torah been revealed to me?”
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صحيح مسلم:
- قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقدت أمة من بني إسرائيل لا يدرى ما فعلت ولا أراها إلا الفأر ألا ترونها إذا وضع لها ألبان الإبل لم تشربه وإذا وضع لها ألبان الشاء شربته
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صحيح مسلم:
[*]الفأرة مسخ وآية ذلك أنه يوضع بين يديها لبن الغنم فتشربه ويوضع بين يديها لبن الإبل فلا تذوقه فقال له كعب أسمعت هذا من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال أفأنزلت علي التوراة
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Sabbath_Keeper
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This is interesting seeing that the Nazi’s used to teach that the Jews actually evolved from rats.
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swariffin
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Oh dear, seriously, Does it mean a death fatwa to the Jews?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
What I said was not a fatwa to kill Mickey Mouse nor would any reasonable minded person say such a thing," sheikh Munajid said.
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1221720587616&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
This link is from the Shaik’ site.
islam-qa.com/en/ref/2896/
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...goBlobs&blobwhere=1221556757378&ssbinary=true
What I said was not a fatwa to kill Mickey Mouse nor would any reasonable minded person say such a thing," sheikh Munajid said.
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1221720587616&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
This link is from the Shaik’ site.
islam-qa.com/en/ref/2896/
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cathopologist
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A fatwa against scorpions and rodents? Where is the logic in that? How about issuing fatwas against Osama Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda? Wouldn’t that be more logical? This is definitely one cultural barrier i will never understand.
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