A dream I had last night

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But the Mass is not a social get-together
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I beg to differ! What is the origin of the mass? Communion is just that: a communal meal.
Our church has bongo drums in it.
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When I was volunteering in Ethiopia I had an opportunity to attend mass in a Catholic church in a distant rural area (no roads, no electricity, no kneelers, corrugated steel roof). The mass was said in the local language (the readings were in Amharic), and the music was beautiful!
I once saw a sinner at church.
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Are you sure that wasn’t a mirror?
 
neuro_nurse said:
I beg your pardon - that really isn’t for you to say!
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I shouldn’t have had to say it in the first place.

Ignorance of the Liturgy is obvious in the statements of some…it is not a Pentacostal gathering but the Sacrifice of Calvary renewed. How do you think the Virgin Mary and SS John and Mary Magdalene behaved 2000+years ago when He was hanging from the Cross drenched in His own blood? I hope this puts things in perspective for anyone who’s confused about proper behavior during the Mass.
 
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I disagree. Some music, especially of the “heavy metal” or “death metal” variety is pretty bad in and of itself, even if there are no words sung. Perhaps that’s an extreme example. I haven’t heard of any reports of anything like THAT being at Mass, yet…

Here’s a video of a death metal concert. Believe it or not, I once went to shows like this,.

Surely, I hope you wouldn’t say that THAT genre of music shouldn’t be excluded…

but as I said, perhaps that is an extreme example :cool:
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Sure it should be excluded, but I disagree on it being ‘bad’ in and of itself. I love heavy metal and find it quite complex and interesting. I can honestly say that some of the guitar pieces, especially solos, are more similar to classical music than others in form, using the same complicated scaling and construction. It’s more difficult to play and takes more talent than some of the wishy-washy three chord music ‘accepted’ by some Catholics.
 
Cardinal Arinze has spoken well on this matter.

Those of you - both laity and clergy - who strive for a “horizontal” attitude in the Catholic liturgy… are heretical.

The Liturgy is Vertical. Everything is about Him.

Just as Simeon said, when he raised up the infant Jesus " My eyes have seen the salvation of God" … so to we should be activly exclaiming in our hearts and minds that same reverence throughout the Mass.

It is not a social gathering of any sort. Even the early Church only allowed the prospective new Christians to stay for the Liturgy of the Word. Deep reverence and “vertical” understanding was paramount.
 
neuro_nurse said:
Tell me, what do you hope to achieve with your arrogance and lack of tact?

Are you serving Christ - or yourself?

Merry Christmas!
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Arrogence? Hardly. Simply pointing out the obvious.
Lack of tact? So what? Beating around the bush is a waste of time in some instances.
“Are you serving Christ - or yourself?” The age-old accusation from a guilty conscience. I noticed you avoided the question:

How do you think the Virgin Mary and SS John and Mary Magdalene behaved 2000+years ago when He was hanging from the Cross drenched in His own blood?

It’s possible (unlikely) that I’m wrong, but my assumption is that they were focused on Jesus and not everyone around them.
 
latinmasslover said:
Arrogence? Hardly. Simply pointing out the obvious.
Lack of tact? So what? Beating around the bush is a waste of time in some instances.
“Are you serving Christ - or yourself?” The age-old accusation from a guilty conscience. I noticed you avoided the question:

How do you think the Virgin Mary and SS John and Mary Magdalene behaved 2000+years ago when He was hanging from the Cross drenched in His own blood?

It’s possible (unlikely) that I’m wrong, but my assumption is that they were focused on Jesus and not everyone around them.
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😉
 
My Church does NO masses, and different music groups play at different times. I play the clarinet for the mass with more traditional music (although we do occasionally break out into a more upbeat tune after mass is over), and it’s pretty neat being a part of the music. I also play stuff like blues and oldies rock on the electric guitar at home, but I find that that the noon “teen” mass with all its modern Christian pop/rock and excessively amplified guitars distracts me from what I’m supposed to be focusing on. I don’t know about all the people who go to the “teen” mass, but traditional music helps me to pay more attention to the mass than the music. :twocents:
 
If that’s the way you feel then maybe the Catholic Church isn’t for you. Try studying the Liturgy.
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In the first place, I am Catholic.

Second, your suggestion that the Church isn’t for me displays not only ignorance of the meaning of the word ‘catholic,’ but also the mission of the Church.

The Church is not some exclusive club in which members can dictate who can be admitted as a member.

Your opinion is not only irrelevant, but stating in any manner is completely inappropriate.

If what I have written angers you, then you are serving your own ego and not Christ.

Maybe you are the one who should study the Liturgy.
 
neuro_nurse said:
In the first place, I am Catholic.

Second, your suggestion that the Church isn’t for me displays not only ignorance of the meaning of the word ‘catholic,’ but also the mission of the Church.

The Church is not some exclusive club in which members can dictate who can be admitted as a member.

Your opinion is not only irrelevant, but stating in any manner is completely inappropriate.

If what I have written angers you, then you are serving your own ego and not Christ.

Maybe you are the one who should study the Liturgy.
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Et tu quoque.

“Catholic” means universal in the sense of “world-wide”, not all-inclusive.

That being said, the Church is exclusive and inclusive. It excludes those who do not accept her authority, and it includes those who do. Sinners fall everywhere in between. But to be Catholic means to accept the authority of the Church on every single matter in which she has authority, including what she says about liturgy. If someone does not accept the full authority of the Church, he is de facto not Catholic.

Now I’m not making any statements on whether or not you accept the authority of the Church. You say you are Catholic, so I assume you do. With that in mind, that is what the OP meant by telling you to study the liturgy. Being Catholic, and therefore accepting what the Church says about liturgy, it is right and fitting that if you want to discuss liturgy you should be informed about what the Church says about it. Therefore, you should go study what the Church says about liturgy.
 
neuro_nurse said:
In the first place, I am Catholic.

Second, your suggestion that the Church isn’t for me displays not only ignorance of the meaning of the word ‘catholic,’ but also the mission of the Church.

The Church is not some exclusive club in which members can dictate who can be admitted as a member.

Your opinion is not only irrelevant, but stating in any manner is completely inappropriate.

If what I have written angers you, then you are serving your own ego and not Christ.

Maybe you are the one who should study the Liturgy.
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This post of yours shows that you are the one defending your pride. I don’t care if you claim to be a Catholic. My friend’s mother tells everyone she’s Catholic and yet she isn’t in thought, word, or deed.

Being Catholic requires more than having a belief in Jesus, it means adhering to the teachings of the Church and living by them, THEN spreading it. You cannot teach what you don’t know and at least semi-comprehend.

I have done nothing but study the Liturgy (the Catholic one!) for the last couple of years…your posts are showing that you are mad because I pointed out either your ignorance or lack of respect/belief in the True Presence of Christ. I have showed disgust for the view that Mass is about the neighbor over God, not anger. You’re revealing a hurt ego, and that is not my problem.
You keep avoiding the question…why not try answering it. I’ll post it again:

How do you think the Virgin Mary and SS John and Mary Magdalene behaved 2000+years ago when He was hanging from the Cross drenched in His own blood?
 
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