A few words on Relativism

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It’s called “Relativism” because it holds all truths to be true only insofar as they relate to the system, culture, society, etc., they appear in. Under such a doctrine, nothing can be said to be objectively true.

We live in a democratic society and our values reflect the belief that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and do whatever they want, insofar as they do not harm others. It’s unfortunate, though, that many stop there. We have given ourselves the right to believe anything, and therefore we may join any faith tradition or church, or be atheists if we so choose.

But should we?

We have the first amendment to the Constitution in the United States, which itself was born from the historical and political lessons that preceded it’s drafting: that governments, given enough time, tend to choose order and unity in the form of repression when faced with all the turmoil and strife inherent in people living next to each other while insisting their dignity and freedom be observed.

So we may take part in whatever belief system we desire, but it is duplicitous (to oneself and to others), to attend Mass or any Sunday service, or any religious ceremony of any kind, recite the articles of that given faith, and upon leaving, immediately abandon those beliefs in an effort to avoid even the appearance of “meanness.”

So while the Relativist may utter the words “Jesus Christ is King of the Universe,” he only does so to avoid offending his parents; then when he finds himself around Wiccans, he professes the Goddess as good; when around atheists, he simply apologizes. But all his words ring hallow. Each time he confesses a different set of beliefs to a different set of people, it’s all done in an effort to never discredit the mighty “Everyone Is On Their Own Faith Journey” rhetoric. And if one makes the argument that this isn’t relativism but actually a form of pragmatism, I would respond with “same thing.” Both these “isms” prioritize being inoffensive above all else, with the goal being to believe that which is most expedient in any given situation (“Relativism” making the added statement that ALL beliefs are true and equal).

This is simply relishing in the Democratic system we have the privilege of living under while failing to be a true witness.

When does one actually look inward and decide to make a decision about their beliefs? And when do they accept those beliefs as being beliefs in objectively true things? When does one make that Kierkegaardian “leap of faith”?

Believing in something is terrifying because it means afterward, you look out onto the world and see others who are actually lost – which is “condescending” to the relativist, to think anyone is “lost” instead of merely “journeying.”

It is a particularly craven way of living to absolve oneself of all personal wrongs and thank the God of your own creation for his forgiveness – the postmodern, psychoanalyst-in-the-sky that Relativism has transformed our Lord into. From my perspective, our Lord Jesus Christ has been made into a mere human by Moderns; under their schema, He was just a really, really nice guy who had some neat ideas.
 
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Can you please define in a sentence or two what relativism what modernism what liberalism. I’d like to know, thanks!
 
Can you please define in a sentence or two what relativism what modernism what liberalism. I’d like to know, thanks!
According to the Webster dictionary, the “First Known Use of relativism was 1865” Relativism | Definition of Relativism by Merriam-Webster

the word takes on various meanings depending on how it is used.

As to your second question,

Pius IX wrote “Syllabus of errors”

in particular

III. INDIFFERENTISM, LATITUDINARIANISM
  1. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. – Allocution “Maxima quidem,” June 9, 1862; Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.
  2. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. – Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846.
  3. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. – Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.
  4. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. –
    Encyclical “Noscitis,” Dec. 8, 1849.
 
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Relativism is the idea that truth and morals are matters of opinion
Some values change with the times. For example, capital punishment was thought to be acceptable in the past whereas now, it is preached that it is morally wrong to be in favor of capital punishment. Similarly, in the past women were to wear headcovering in church, and were even supposed to be silent in church according to the Bible. But now that has changed.
Even what is true or false can sometimes change and is sometimes relative to the times. For example, in the past it was taught in the Baltimore catechism that unbaptised infants go to limbo.
What is morally acceptable to wear at a public beach is relative to the times in which you live.
 
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OP, here –

I think I was motivated to start this thread because of some interactions I had recently with some loved ones.

I felt compelled to describe an unfortunate mentality I see a lot of, including in highly intelligent people whom I have respect for. I further wanted to make a judgment of that mentality as not merely being incomplete, so to speak, but fainthearted.

We are blessed that we have the privilege to live in a country whose supreme governing document establishes the right to worship freely.

But nothing has changed for the individual and the onus which is on them to use reason, prudence, and wisdom to seek the truth; to make a choice and stand up for it in the face of danger and derision.

I am Roman Catholic and believe it is the true Faith. I recite the Nicene Creed every Sunday and HDO. I recieve the Eucharist if I am not conscience of any mortal sin on my part. I hope and pray that others who profess the catholic faith also do so.

But my purpose in sort of ranting in my original post was simply to say that we should not let the fact of our plural society to render us dazed and confused about objective truth.
 
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God has never condoned slavery in either the Old or the New Testament.
Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 1 Peter 2 ;18
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Ephesians 6: 5
It is not possible to change church teaching that the state has the right to impose the death penalty.
From the CCC
the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”.

And

What is morally acceptable to wear at a public beach is relative to the country and to the times.
 
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The OP says that a relativist states that all beliefs are true and equal. (Fun interpolation - the word ‘beliefs’ was autocorrected to ‘bellies’. Would that it were so]. But back to the point. I have never met such a person. I have met people who argue with the idea of absolute truth. But never one who thinks, say,that a belief in a milk fairy creating cartons of milk for breakfast is equal in any way to belief that there is a breakfast table. Or that belief in Santa is equal to belief that there is a police force. Or for that matter that my belief in my ripped eight-pack is equivalent to the belief held by anyone who sees me at the pool.

The OP believes that there is a thing ‘Relativism’ that holds this view. I’m pretty much a relativist and I don’t think that belief is equal to mine. 🙂
 
Given that people do have different religious, political, social, economic, and artistic beliefs, what would you suggest as a good alternative to relativism in a pluralistic society in terms of behavior, not only thoughts or feelings? Should we respectfully disagree or should we be more adamant in our opposition, and if the latter, how far should we go?
 
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Take care using the word ‘relativism’. In philosophy it is uses in lots of different ways and the meaning changes depending on what is being discussed and the contexts.
 
Actually, no. Liberalism dates back a century and a half to two centuries before, back to the Age of Enlightenment.

And some elements of Relativism date back to about 400+ years before Christ.

What the Pope was decrying by Modernism was the movement within biblical scholarship which moved to treating the writings as just that - writings, devoid of any religious context.

Sadly, people now cry “Modernism” to a whole range of things which have absolutely nothing to do with the biblical scholarship movement to treat Sacred Scripture as simply a series of writings over ages before Christ… And that puts the term into the are of gnostic thought - special hidden knowledge.
 
well, if you want an extremely short-hand, almost sophomoric definition, we can go back to Comte who allegedly said “All things are relative. and that is absolute!”
 
Modernism is the idea that truth is subject to change and morals depend on the situation
Truth does depend on the situation. For example, sometimes it is true that:
100,000 + 100,000 = 200,000. But this is not always true.
For example if we are adding speeds close to the speed of light:
Let mps be miles per second: Then
100,000 mps + 100,000 mps = 155,000 mps.
 
True. But I have limited what I mean by “relativism” fairly clearly and defined the version I find problematic.
 
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Conservatism/Liberalism in the contemporary, American political context has a very specific meaning and in fact both of those camps can be traced to the Enlightenment (Kant, Descartes, Voltaire, Locke, Hegel, etc.) “Freedom,” “liberation,” etc., “life, liberty, property,” and the general theme of religion and monarchy being limiting to human development – and the very concept of “human development” – are all common threads in modern politics. What the current right and left have in common are those things the enlightenment gave both of them while their differences come from the subtle ways in which implementing human freedom and liberation becomes challenging.

The Relativism that I find problematic comes from the mid 20th century and has much to do with anthropologists and the influence that cultural studies have had in positing that the mere existence of different values across societies means therefore there is no objectively true value but only diversity of value, thus rendering all values arbitrary.
 
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It is not true even in the case you mention that 100,000 mps plus 100,000 mps “equals” 155,000 mps but it “results in” 155,000 mps due to explicable mathematical considerations.
Sometimes it is true that 100,000 + 100,000 results in 200,000 due to explicable mathematical considerations. Othertimes it is not true. The truth will vary depending on the circumstances.
 
No, “the Truth” cannot vary.
The scientific facts show that you are seriously mistaken.
100,000 + 100,000 sometimes results in 200,000 and othertimes results in 155,000 depending on the circumstances. This is a scientific fact as Einstein’s theory of relativity has been confirmed in many tests. If you don’t believe it, give me an example of one scientific test that contradicts Einstein’s theory.
That is a central tenet of scripture
It is also written in Holy Scripture that the world was created in seven days and that the earth shall never be moved. 1Chron 16: 39. The Bible also says that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds. But it is not since the orchid seed is smaller. The Bible says that the earth was created before the sun. Etc.
With these examples we see that science contradicts the Bible in several areas.
Do you claim that the Bible is right and that science is wrong so that the mustard seed is smaller than any other seed?
 
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Regarding beachwear you must distinguish between the moral question “is it moral to dress indecently?” and the incidental question “what is decent?”
Which changes according to where you live and when. There is no objective standard of dress.
 
well, if you want an extremely short-hand, almost sophomoric definition, we can go back to Comte who allegedly said “All things are relative. and that is absolute!”
This confuses so many people. Quite often someone has said to me: ‘So morality is relative. And you tell us that as an objective fact! Hah…gotcha!’

Facts are objective. My car is red. I had eggs for breakfast. Morality is relative.
 
You just contradicted yourself. It is either true or not true; you say not true and them admit the truth of the statement by trying to qualify it - which it did not need as it was already qualified. as in, already true.
 
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