A great mass experience that I had.

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It’s been fulfilling to attend mass in Lourdes (French), Hanover (German), Kuala Lumpur (Chinese/English), Paris (French), Vatican (Italian), Aberdeen (Scottish…I think, couldn’t understand a word they said), Seinna (Tuscan Italian), and a mass in Louisana swamp rat country (unintelligable).

I still knew where I was during the mass. Always felt at home, except all did not have a band, banjos, kazoos, and electric guitars. The liturgy was there, and I felt at home.
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Funny Evryone I know that is old enough to truely remember the latin said that they did know all the responces in latin and most all the prayers. that was then most remember some now. that is even amoung those that you could not drag to a EF mass now.
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All canned. By rote.

People either tried to follow the rest using a misalette or they just prayed the rosary.
 
elgar said:
I’m old enough to know that missalettes didn’t exist when the latin rite was the norm. We brought our own missals to mass on Sunday. Most had latin on one side and English on the other. Back then like today, automotan catholics probably didn’t make much of an effort to understand what was going on. I remember a steady stream going out the back door after receiving communion. They must have felt their obligation fulfilled at that point.
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Those WERE missalettes! They were NOT the Missale Romano or Romano Missal.

That legacy of arriving late and leaving early is still common. A few weeks ago we had a second collection for a worthy cause. An older person approached the celebrant before Mass and in a nice but serious way asked “Father, can you keep your sermon real short today? We need to collect as much as possible for the (charity.)” :eek: It was stunning to hear. I remember people regularly saying stuff like “oh, you attend St. Mary’s? I heard you can get through father’s Mass in 15 minutes (big smile.)”
 
ElToro said:
All canned. By rote.

People either tried to follow the rest using a misalette or they just prayed the rosary.
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Please explain what is wrong about learn and kowing sonthing learned by rote? I learned my times table by rote guess what I know it. I learned the many things by rote and forty years later I still know them.

Oh and by the way do you not think that there are those in the pews today that their responces are canned? That they are just says the words they were taught to say without reaaly knowing what they are saying. At least if they were praying the Rosary they were praying from the heart and joining those prayers with those of the Mass in true worship to God. Not just going through the motions.
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Please explain what is wrong about learn and kowing sonthing learned by rote? I learned my times table by rote guess what I know it. I learned the many things by rote and forty years later I still know them.
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If understanding does not rote memorization then it’s lacking. You “know” or actually understand them?
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Oh and by the way do you not think that there are those in the pews today that their responces are canned? That they are just says the words they were taught to say without reaaly knowing what they are saying. At least if they were praying the Rosary they were praying from the heart and joining those prayers with those of the Mass in true worship to God. Not just going through the motions.
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They were praying the Rosary because they had no idea what was going on! Just imagine the attacks if somehow the praying of the Rosary DURING the Mass became popular with the implementation of the OF Mass. Those that actually defend the practice today would be screaming the loudest.
 
JamestheOlder said:
Yes, yes! We’ve been beat to death with that line of reasoning since at least…well maybe 1966. Can we give it a rest? If you really like Latin, attend the EF, if you want to know what’s going on…even in Spanish, attend the OF (NO).

Peace.
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You don’t have to be rude about this, especially since Pope Benedict XVI has reiterated the importance of the use of Latin in Sacramentum Caritatis.
 
ElToro said:
All canned. By rote.

People either tried to follow the rest using a misalette or they just prayed the rosary.
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Of course, one could also make the same “by rote” argument today.

As for the term “Roman Missal”, it is correct to use it. The Missallette is a fairly new term. Actually, the Roman Missal covers both what is formerly known as the Sacramentary and the Lectionary. Thus, if people owned a Daily Missal, they would have both “books” in one volume.
 
benedictgal said:
Of course, one could also make the same “by rote” argument today.

As for the term “Roman Missal”, it is correct to use it. The Missallette is a fairly new term. Actually, the Roman Missal covers both what is formerly known as the Sacramentary and the Lectionary. Thus, if people owned a Daily Missal, they would have both “books” in one volume.
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Agreed. We brought our St. Joseph hard bound missals to Mass. Missalettes are an innovation created for the novus ordo. I personally find them to be inferior, extremely hard to navigate, and a total waste of money and paper!
 
hudson said:
Just think. One time in the past if you understood Latin you could go to Mass anywhere in the world and understand everything. Talk about unity.
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There are two opposite requirement: to understand and feel the Mass in depth, needs vernacular, study, and reading in audible voice. To understand superficially (recognizing the parts) either in the past and now need only good will: there is just One Mass of All Ages
 
benedictgal said:
You don’t have to be rude about this, especially since Pope Benedict XVI has reiterated the importance of the use of Latin in Sacramentum Caritatis.
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Sorry if I offended you; I did not mean to be rude.

Maybe I sould have explained further, rather than just react. It becomes offensive to (the few of) us who value and venerate the proper celebration of the Novus Ordo in the vernacular to have the “Latin” spear stuck into our hearts each time we make an observation about the NO. I think that is not only rude, but is intellectually dishonest.

No one who has listened to Latin Masses (OF or EF) in different countries can EVER make the assumption (third post in the series) that you can understand Latin with a Polish accent versus a Russian accent, versus a German, accent and on and on. If you truly believe that fiction, I will introduce you to four parishes within forty miles of my home where you can try to understand ENGLISH, as said by an Indian, Nigerian, Columbian, Phillipino or, even an Irish priest.

So, please be careful in your remarks, and I will mend my rude ways, as well.

Peace, again.
 
elgar said:
Agreed. We brought our St. Joseph hard bound missals to Mass. Missalettes are an innovation created for the novus ordo. I personally find them to be inferior, extremely hard to navigate, and a total waste of money and paper!
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You must be very young. My father could not afford to buy a St. Andrew’s or St. Joseph’s missal to follow the Tridentine Latin Mass. He also did not attend daily Mass, because he worked, and the Mass schedules were not as flexible as they are today, so he saw little need for a “daily” missal, which were (to my limited knowledge) the only missals available to the laity with full English translations for all the Latin prayers.

Perhaps someone else will remember the name…I believe it was an abbreviation of the St. Joseph daily missal…that my Dad used for Sunday Mass. It could have been obtained through the Holy Name Society, but it was quite small, with red-edged pages. It had “basic” prayers and responses, as I recall, and would have qualified as a “missalette”, although not known by that appelation.

Perhaps your parish has an inferior version of a missalette for the NO; you really should look at different versions. Some are done quite well.

Peace.
 
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