A Jewish Objection to Christ - Please help in Understanding

[Kaninchen]

Interestingly as Steve B says Christianity was born out of Judaism. This is not a question I want an answer to as its off topic, this is a question just for you to think about. Over the last 2000 years has Judaism diverged from itself? If you were to pick yourself up and travel back in time 2000 years, would you recognize them, and would they recognize you? Would you have the same passion, would you listen to the Rabbis and comprehend? You would be able to experience Temple sacrifice.

In that case would you have the same lens?

So which age Jewish lens should I look through?

Why would it be more difficult for a Jew to comprehend Judaism a couple of thousand years ago than it is for a Christian to comprehend Christianity a couple of thousand years ago?

This is not a question I want an answer to as it is off topic, this is a question just for you to think about.

 

[Kaninchen]

Interesting, and thank you for pointing out a strange human trait to me.

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It’s the the font size I find annoying but thanks for the highly valuable psychological insight.

 

[jcrichton]

click on either footnotes then scroll up the page till you get to footnote 10… The point of my response to Kaninchen, Jesus is a historical person.

For example

I posted

(10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

scroll up the page when clicking on 10, till you find footnote 10. That takes you to

CHAPTER 3.
**SEDITION OF THE JEWS AGAINST PONTIUS PILATE. CONCERNING CHRIST, AND WHAT BEFELL PAULINA AND THE JEWS AT ROME,
**

And start reading.

exerpt

"2. But Pilate undertook to bring a current of water to Jerusalem, and did it with the sacred money, and derived the origin of the stream from the distance of two hundred furlongs. However, the Jews (8) were not pleased with what had been done about this water; and many ten thousands of the people got together, and made a clamor against him, and insisted that he should leave off that design. Some of them also used reproaches, and abused the man, as crowds of such people usually do. So he habited a great number of his soldiers in their habit, who carried daggers under their garments, and sent them to a place where they might surround them. So he bid the Jews himself go away; but they boldly casting reproaches upon him, he gave the soldiers that signal which had been beforehand agreed on; who laid upon them much greater blows than Pilate had commanded them, and equally punished those that were tumultuous, and those that were not; nor did they spare them in the least: and since the people were unarmed, and were caught by men prepared for what they were about, there were a great number of them slain by this means, and others of them ran away wounded. And thus an end was put to this sedition.

1. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day…"

Does that help?

Hi, Steve!

…yeah… I wanted to download it to my computer but I could not connect with the text you’ve cited…

Refreshed, I was able to follow and find it. Thanks!

It seems to me that those who claim that there’s no historicity to the Person of Christ consciously or maliciously choose to ignore the extra-Biblical writings in order to authenticate their constructs.

Thanks, again!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Ridgerunner]

Hi, Steve!

…yeah… I wanted to download it to my computer but I could not connect with the text you’ve cited…

Refreshed, I was able to follow and find it. Thanks!

It seems to me that those who claim that there’s no historicity to the Person of Christ consciously or maliciously choose to ignore the extra-Biblical writings in order to authenticate their constructs.

Thanks, again!

Maran atha!

Angel

Don’t take this as an insult. I’m just joking. But Vouthon, your posts are usually so long that if you use a larger font, it would take several posts just to say you’re from England and don’t like Brexit.

 

[steve_b]

Hi, Steve!

…yeah… I wanted to download it to my computer but I could not connect with the text you’ve cited…

Refreshed, I was able to follow and find it. Thanks!

It seems to me that those who claim that there’s no historicity to the Person of Christ consciously or maliciously choose to ignore the extra-Biblical writings in order to authenticate their constructs.

Thanks, again!

Maran atha!

Angel

:tiphat: you’re welcome

 

[jcrichton]

Don’t take this as an insult. I’m just joking. But Vouthon, your posts are usually so long that if you use a larger font, it would take several posts just to say you’re from England and don’t like Brexit.

Hi!

…you mean jcrichton or Angel, right?

…yeah, I tend to want to cover as much as I can for those who are really seeking… nice and curt, to me, seems to lend itself to confusion or half discovery…

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[pitbull]

One thing that I ponder is: During what time period has the L-rd been silent with His chosen for 2,000 years?

Hi po18guy,

That seemed like a long time until I pondered this:

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2 Peter 3

Perhaps you might ponder this, How many nations have been licked out of their homeland and returned to it 2000 years later?

35 Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for light by day
And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
The Lord of hosts is His name:
36
“If this fixed order departs
From before Me,” declares the Lord,
“Then the offspring of Israel also will cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”

37 Thus says the Lord,

“If the heavens above can be measured
And the foundations of the earth searched out below,
Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel
For all that they have done,” declares the Lord.Jer 31

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[steve_b]

Hi po18guy,

That seemed like a long time until I pondered this:

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2 Peter 3

IOW, because God is outside of time, there is no clock in eternity. No minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, eons etc, like we understand time, it’s just the eternal now.
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Perhaps you might ponder this, How many nations have been licked out of their homeland and returned to it 2000 years later?

35 Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for light by day
And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
The Lord of hosts is His name:
36
“If this fixed order departs
From before Me,” declares the Lord,
“Then the offspring of Israel also will cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”

37 Thus says the Lord,

“If the heavens above can be measured
And the foundations of the earth searched out below,
Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel
For all that they have done,” declares the Lord.Jer 31

“Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”.

Psalm 111:10

Proverbs 1:7

Proverbs 9:10

Proverbs 15:33

Sirach 1:11

Sirach 1:14

Sirach 1:18

Sirach 1:20

Sirach 1:27

Sirach 19:20

Sirach 21:11

Too many people unfortunately, don’t fear God.

 

[Darryl_B]

Why would it be more difficult for a Jew to comprehend Judaism a couple of thousand years ago than it is for a Christian to comprehend Christianity a couple of thousand years ago?

This is not a question I want an answer to as it is off topic, this is a question just for you to think about.

I did predict this response, including the air of cynical with the right back at you, however as a Catholic I have no problem. A child does not look the same as their adult self. If we were stagnate we would have a dead faith, a dead pool with no living water. I have no problems with development, as you should not too with your own faith. But with reference to the OP, and with reference to your comment, to reference an internet cite circa well at most 20 years old, what then about the times past? How do we view hope?

 

[Darryl_B]

Hey folks, I suspect this question has been asked many times elsewhere, but I have not been able to find a discussion that addresses this objection to recognizing Christ as the Messiah by the Jewish faith:

Christ as the Messiah - From what I have read the Torah teaches that that he Messiah would only arise when the land was inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, and that the Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel so the period of prophets had to stop at 350 BCE.

If Christ was born “too late” according to this teaching in Judaism, what is the official response?

Another concern as an aside relates to performing miracles, etc. by the Messiah, which if I understand correctly Judaism also says would be a sign of a “false Messiah”… any help on that point would be extra-appreciated!

Thanks and God-Bless

To answer your question, the Jews have, in order to eliminate Jesus Christ as a potential fulfillment of the Messiah, in more recent times raised the bar so high, as to almost make a Messiah impossible, unless they can permit prophets again.