A Latin Cleric in any Eastern Liturgy or an Eastern Cleric in a Latin Liturgy

[KnightOfSPUD]

If a Latin Cleric joins an Eastern Liturgy, what does he do?
and Vice-versa

Actually my real question is what do Latin Bishops do when they “concelebrate” (if that’s the right term) with their Eastern Brothers and how do Eastern Bishops “concelebrate” with their Latin Brothers in a Mass.

Sorry for any misconceptions. I live in the Philippines, dominantly, if not purely, Latin Rite.

 

[JurisPrudens]

If a Latin Cleric joins an Eastern Liturgy, what does he do?
and Vice-versa

Actually my real question is what do Latin Bishops do when they “concelebrate” (if that’s the right term) with their Eastern Brothers and how do Eastern Bishops “concelebrate” with their Latin Brothers in a Mass.

Sorry for any misconceptions. I live in the Philippines, dominantly, if not purely, Latin Rite.

I have never been to such a liturgy, but I know that a Latin cleric, if needed, may put on Estern vestments and serve an Eastern Mass, and vice versa.

So far as concelebration goes: I watched the footage of Bishop Baron’s consecration, aand there were plenty of bishops laying on hands on him. One was in Greek vestments.

 

[malphono]

I have never been to such a liturgy, but I know that a Latin cleric, if needed, may put on Estern vestments and serve an Eastern Mass, and vice versa.

That’s not quite it. In the case of concelebration, (whether bishop or priest), the concelebrant always vests according to the norms and customs of his own Church, not that of the Church in which he is concelebrating. The one legitimate exception is if the concelebrant happens to be bi-ritual.

 

[SyroMalankara]

While Malphono is absolutely correct, I’ve seen the rule fudged more than once. Also, if a bishop is present, I believe he can dispense for that particular Liturgy.

 

[malphono]

While Malphono is absolutely correct, I’ve seen the rule fudged more than once. Also, if a bishop is present, I believe he can dispense for that particular Liturgy.

Yes, so have I, hence why I said “legitimate” exception. And yes, if a bishop is officiating, he may grant ad-hoc bi-ritual faculties to a priest for that one single occasion. Plus, there have been times when I’ve seen a pastor assume that same authority. That said, I’ve never encountered a case of a bishop doing so for a bishop of a different Church.

 

[Augustine]

FWIW, last year, at the ordination of a parishioner to the priesthood in the Maronite Church, the local Latin bishop was invited along with his vocations director.

Of course, the ritual of ordination was performed exclusively by the Maronite bishop, but the Latin bishop was invited to impose his hands too.

At the Liturgy of Eucharistic, all clergymen were at the altar, but the Latins merely watched and followed the postures of the Maronites.

At other times, a visiting Latin priest would concelebrate, though participating minimally, since he’s usually unfamiliar with the the Liturgy of St. James.

Off and on, a retired biritual priest visits us and he, of course, takes active part in the liturgy.

HTH

Pax Christi

 

[Brendan]

I have never been to such a liturgy, but I know that a Latin cleric, if needed, may put on Estern vestments and serve an Eastern Mass, and vice versa. .

I have been to one.

A local Catholic Conference was held on the grounds of a Eastern Catholic Grade School. A Divine Liturgy was held following the conference in the parish church. The Latin Clergy participating simply sat in choir dress in the Sanctuary.

 

[RyanBlack]

I have been to numerous Divine Liturgies at my parish when a Latin priest concelebrated, and at least one hierarchical Divine Liturgy when a Latin bishop concelebrated. They always wore their own vestments.

 

[babochka]

My priest is Byzantine with bi-ritual faculties. He always wears Latin vestments when he is the sole celebrant at Mass, Byzantine vestments if he is a concelebrant.

 

[JurisPrudens]

That’s not quite it. In the case of concelebration, (whether bishop or priest), the concelebrant always vests according to the norms and customs of his own Church, not that of the Church in which he is concelebrating. The one legitimate exception is if the concelebrant happens to be bi-ritual.

Ok, better to know.

 

[SyroMalankara]

There’s a video of own of our bishops in Germany or the UK on an Apostlic visit. Midweek he made a visit to a retirement community and celebrated the OF Mass for them, he wore Latin vestments but kept on his monastic hood (eskeem), I don’t remember if he utilized the handcross or used his hand to make the sign of the cross.

 

[SyroMalankara]

Some of this is very tricky since nothung Eastern is simple. I remember when one of the Knanaya SyroMalabar bishops vested as a Malankara bishop to celebrate the West Syriac Liturgy for the few parishes (15, I believe) that are not EastSyriac. There was a question about whether His Grace should be donning the eskeem as that particular vestments is given to professed monastics. In the West Syriac Tradition, all bishops are first ‘made monk’ weeks, months, or years before ordination as bishop. Does a non-monastic have a right to Don monastic vestments? I don’t think so. However all Malankara bishops are, and no SyroMalabar bishop is given this particular vestment.

 

[Thomas48]

This is actually a very good video of the Syro Malankara exarchate inuguration and bishop ordination in the United States that shows bishops and priests of the Latin, Syro Malabar, and Greek Rites amoung others con-celebrating the Qurbono.

youtu.be/UD3Z6cRlWX0

 

[Don_Ruggero]

If a Latin Cleric joins an Eastern Liturgy, what does he do?
and Vice-versa

Actually my real question is what do Latin Bishops do when they “concelebrate” (if that’s the right term) with their Eastern Brothers and how do Eastern Bishops “concelebrate” with their Latin Brothers in a Mass.

Sorry for any misconceptions. I live in the Philippines, dominantly, if not purely, Latin Rite.

There are three possibilities.

In the case of the cleric being bi-ritual, he is fully functional in each and would function in the other as freely as he does in his own.

In the case of a cleric who cannot function liturgically at all in the other rite, he should sit in choir and participate in the liturgy in that fashion.

Redemptionis Sacramentum, No. 113: “Where it happens that some of the Priests who are present do not know the language of the celebration and therefore are not capable of pronouncing the parts of the Eucharistic Prayer proper to them, they should not concelebrate, but instead should attend the celebration in choral dress in accordance with the norms.”

On a limited number of occasions, I have concelebrated when I have sufficient command of the liturgical language to do at least what is minimally essential. I properly wear the vestments of the Latin rite since I am Latin rite.

It can happen, in case of true necessity and in the unforeseen and unplanned absence of vestments proper to one’s own Church that one could wear what corresponds to one’s station in the other but that is not desirable and really should be avoided, if at all possible. This is, for example, finding myself where I am in an Eastern Catholic Church unplanned or with lost luggage and therefore without my own vestments and being provided by my host with what they have at hand in order for me to be able to concelebrate.

Canon 701 for the Code of the Eastern Churches says:
For a just cause and with the permission of the eparchial bishop, bishops and presbyters of different churches ‘sui iuris’ can concelebrate, especially to foster love and to manifest the unity of the Churches. All follow the prescripts of the liturgical books of the principal celebrant, avoiding any liturgical syncretism whatever, and preferably with all wearing the liturgical vestments and insignia of their own Church ‘sui iuris.’