A low Mass in the vernacular?

[corsair]

Give me your thoughts on how Traditionalists would except paragraph 26 of Universae Ecclesiae May 13, 2011.

" 26. As foreseen by article 6 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the readings of the Holy Mass of the Missal of 1962 can be proclaimed either solely in the Latin language, or in Latin followed by the vernacular** or, in Low Masses, solely in the vernacular**."

Somehow I missed this part

 

[ProVobis]

Give me your thoughts on how Traditionalists would except paragraph 26 of Universae Ecclesiae May 13, 2011.

" 26. As foreseen by article 6 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the readings of the Holy Mass of the Missal of 1962 can be proclaimed either solely in the Latin language, or in Latin followed by the vernacular** or, in Low Masses, solely in the vernacular**."

Somehow I missed this part

Just the Epistle and Gospel, but this in the Low Mass only. Some EF’s were singing the vernacular prior to the UE. I have not heard any vernacular readings in the Low Mass until the sermon.

 

[TrueLight]

Give me your thoughts on how Traditionalists would except paragraph 26 of Universae Ecclesiae May 13, 2011.

" 26. As foreseen by article 6 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the readings of the Holy Mass of the Missal of 1962 can be proclaimed either solely in the Latin language, or in Latin followed by the vernacular** or, in Low Masses, solely in the vernacular**."

Somehow I missed this part

Let’s just say I’ve seen it done.

 

[ProVobis]

Let’s just say I’ve seen it done.

After hearing the priest having issues with the translation of the Epistle he was using yesterday (as part of the sermon), I’m wondering why this would be allowed inside a Latin Mass. After all, it wasn’t allowed in 1962.

 

[Rich_C]

First, I think the bold text means reciting the Epistle and Gospel in the vernacular, at the altar. I don’t think it means saying the whole Mass in vernacular.

If it did mean having the whole low Mass in vernacular, I would welcome that change if it was intended to replace the current Mass of Paul VI as the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. I mean, I would be over the moon if people were exposed to those venerable and efficacious prayers in any language at this point.

 

[TrueLight]

First, I think the bold text means reciting the Epistle and Gospel in the vernacular, at the altar. I don’t think it means saying the whole Mass in vernacular.

If it did mean having the whole low Mass in vernacular, I would welcome that change if it was intended to replace the current Mass of Paul VI as the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. I mean, I would be over the moon if people were exposed to those venerable and efficacious prayers in any language at this point.

Yeah, it’s just the readings. I don’t know how common this is though.

 

[ProVobis]

If it did mean having the whole low Mass in vernacular, I would welcome that change if it was intended to replace the current Mass of Paul VI as the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. I mean, I would be over the moon if people were exposed to those venerable and efficacious prayers in any language at this point.

The prayers of the OF were supposed to be venerable and efficacious too, albeit for different cultures.

 

[Rich_C]

The prayers of the OF were supposed to be venerable and efficacious too, albeit for different cultures.

I’m sure, but people who’ve never heard or read the old prayers are really missing out. They don’t get enough exposure these days.

 

[TrueLight]

After hearing the priest having issues with the translation of the Epistle he was using yesterday (as part of the sermon), I’m wondering why this would be allowed inside a Latin Mass. After all, it wasn’t allowed in 1962.

I don’t see any of the traditional orders like the FSSP doing this, but a diocesan priest might.

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

Just the Epistle and Gospel, but this in the Low Mass only. Some EF’s were singing the vernacular prior to the UE. I have not heard any vernacular readings in the Low Mass until the sermon.

I have when our Sunday High Mass would have to be a Low Mass.

 

[ProVobis]

I have when our Sunday High Mass would have to be a Low Mass.

Are the people okay with this? I thought it seemed somewhat dumbed down. I’m glad my pastor discontinued the practice. He passes handouts now and wants people to use them, if they don’t have handmissals. The handouts are pretty good actually as they include communion motets and closing hymns as well.

 

[corsair]

A few weeks ago, at a Mass celebrated by an FSSP priest, the readings were done in Latin only. Thats ok with me, because I could follow along fairly easily. Most of the time though they are done in both the Latin and then in english.

I have never heard them done in the vernacular only.

 

[Chatter163]

This practice has not been too common, and really is not a consistent approach to celebrating the EF. I was surprised that it was included, but it was largely a concession to secular clergy celebrating the EF, especially neophytes to the EF. I accept it, but do not like the idea.

 

[ProVobis]

I’m sure, but people who’ve never heard or read the old prayers are really missing out. They don’t get enough exposure these days.

But these “old” prayers, such as the Offertory, Lavabo, Suscipe, etc. are said in a low tone, which most can’t hear anyway, and low tones (at least some of them) are integral to the Tridentine Mass. Besides, there are various ways of translating them (I can give several examples) but at least for now the Latin Mass itself is pure and free of translation problems and constant changing of the translation, which is bound to happen when people look for ways to copyright stuff. Look at the hundreds of what pass for English Bibles out there. Just another source of Babel confusion IMO.

What does “gives joy to my youth” mean to an average person or a Pole or Hispanic who doesn’t care much for English poetry anyway? People didn’t like it in the 60’s and they probably wouldn’t come back in masses today to hear it either.

 

[Rich_C]

But these “old” prayers, such as the Offertory, Lavabo, Suscipe, etc. are said in a low tone, which most can’t hear anyway, and low tones (at least some of them) are integral to the Tridentine Mass. Besides, there are various ways of translating them (I can give several examples) but at least for now the Latin Mass itself is pure and free of translation problems and constant changing of the translation, which is bound to happen when people look for ways to copyright stuff. Look at the hundreds of what pass for English Bibles out there. Just another source of Babel confusion IMO.

What does “gives joy to my youth” mean to an average person or a Pole or Hispanic who doesn’t care much for English poetry anyway? People didn’t like it in the 60’s and they probably wouldn’t come back in masses today to hear it either.

I agree with you that it would not be the ideal to have the low Mass entirely in the vernacular. I just think having such a liturgy replace the current OF would be an improvement. Of course, I’m not sure now is a good time for more tinkering.