A Priest about to lose his Faith

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I read this yesterday but did not post it. I feel sorry for him but he is not the only one suffering…we all must endure with patience. Many people have a good idea what is happening without another book being published.
 
Gads. Talk about depressing. I think he paints a very bleak, one-sided picture. I can’t believe it’s totally accurate… at least not where I live. (gosh I HOPE not!)
 
Another one:

The Origin Of The Specious . . . “Safe Environment” Programs Began As Pro-Homosexual Propaganda By CHRISTOPHER MANION 11/3/2005

thewandererpress.com/a11-3-2005.htm

The recent national mandate to “all bishops” from Teresa Kettelkamp, director of the USCCB’s Office of Child and Youth Protection, has rekindled the controversy over the “safe environment” programs mandated by the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, adopted by the bishops in 2002.
As The Wanderer reported two weeks ago, a forceful response to Kettelkamp’s directive came from Bishop Robert Vasa of the Diocese of Baker, Ore. Bishop Vasa published a column in the diocesan newspaper entitled, “We Need Answers.” The bishop said that, until he had those answers, he would be inclined to ignore Kettelkamp’s mandates.

One of Bishop Vasa’s central questions addressed the origins of the “safe environment” programs. “Where do these programs come from,” he asks.

The bishop might be startled to learn the answer.
From their very inception, “safe environment” programs were diverted from any mention of homosexuality.

When Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Neb., suggested in 2002 that the bishops conduct a study of the causes of the scandals, his motion did not even get a second. When the John Jay Study, commissioned by the bishops, reported in 2003 that over 80% of the crimes committed in the scandals were “homosexual in nature,” the bishops buried it like a hot potato.

. . .

Whether the bishops know it or not, their programs have their origin in efforts that began in the 1990s. The pro-homosexual campaign was led by the left-wing, pro-abortion, American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in primary and secondary schools nationwide, and by “GLBT” activists on college campuses, to make schools and college campuses “safe environments” for “gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and questioning” (GLBT) students.

. . .
 
If anyone is aware of a priest who has been accused, please forward the information for Opus Bono Sacerdotii- an organization dedicated to assisting them. I have sent an email with a link to this series of articles on Fr. Haley to the author of the article from Renew America. If Fr. Haley has not been in contact with Opus Bono or vice versa, maybe the connection will be made. He obviously needs help.

Remember, we are talking about innocent until proven guilty, not guilty by public opinion or public accusation.
Read more here about what happens to an accused priest. Compare that to how the bishop was treated in the case cited. To assume that any accused priest is guilty would be judgmental - sinfully judgmental, imho. Only the appropriate authorities can make that kind of call and with proper trials, etc.

opusbono.org/articles/bishops_double_standard.asp

Here are a list of advisors if you want to see who is supportive of the organization.

opusbono.org/advisors/index.asp

And, the services they provide:

opusbono.org/services/index.asp
 
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dts:
The recent national mandate to “all bishops” from Teresa Kettelkamp, director of the USCCB’s Office of Child and Youth Protection
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Excuse me, but since when do lay bureaucrats impose mandates on bishops?
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
Remember, we are talking about innocent until proven guilty, not guilty by public opinion or public accusation.
Read more here about what happens to an accused priest. Compare that to how the bishop was treated in the case cited. To assume that any accused priest is guilty would be judgmental - sinfully judgmental, imho. Only the appropriate authorities can make that kind of call and with proper trials, etc.

opusbono.org/articles/bishops_double_standard.asp
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Reading the Bishop’s double standard was sobering for me. I’ve never read it spelled out this way. I can see another reason why men would want to stay away from the priesthood…there is more safety and security working a Walmart than the Church.
 
When he talks of this “homosexual crisis” it makes me wonder if this is a new phenonmena. There’s no way we could go back a thousand years and find out the sexual orientation of the priests of the day, but are more gay men becoming priests now than before? If so, why? If not, why the stress on the issue now? Become homosexuality is much more commonly talked about and out there now than in the past?

I feel sorry for Fr. Haley, but when he starts blaming God and calling him “powerless” he loses a lot of sympathy. I guess we all react differently to difficult situations, but I’ve known people much worse off than him who don’t blame God.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
If anyone is aware of a priest who has been accused, please forward the information for Opus Bono Sacerdotii - an organization dedicated to assisting them. I have sent an email with a link to this series of articles on Fr. Haley to the author of the article from Renew America. If Fr. Haley has not been in contact with Opus Bono or vice versa, maybe the connection will be made. He obviously needs help.

Remember, we are talking about innocent until proven guilty, not guilty by public opinion or public accusation.
Read more here about what happens to an accused priest. Compare that to how the bishop was treated in the case cited. To assume that any accused priest is guilty would be judgmental - sinfully judgmental, imho. Only the appropriate authorities can make that kind of call and with proper trials, etc.

opusbono.org/articles/bishops_double_standard.asp

Here are a list of advisors if you want to see who is supportive of the organization.

opusbono.org/advisors/index.asp

And, the services they provide:

opusbono.org/services/index.asp
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Dear Diane:

You have done a service to Fr. Haley. Thank you.

In Christ, Michael
 
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aurora77:
When he talks of this “homosexual crisis” it makes me wonder if this is a new phenonmena. There’s no way we could go back a thousand years and find out the sexual orientation of the priests of the day, but are more gay men becoming priests now than before? If so, why? If not, why the stress on the issue now? Become homosexuality is much more commonly talked about and out there now than in the past?

I feel sorry for Fr. Haley, but when he starts blaming God and calling him “powerless” he loses a lot of sympathy. I guess we all react differently to difficult situations, but I’ve known people much worse off than him who don’t blame God.
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Aurora77:

It’s easy to deal with what he’s dealing with a a few days, or a few weeks, or even a few months… But did you see the date these troubles began? and, Why they began?

He’s not suffering for doing something wrong… He’s suffering for trying to right a wrong, and the people causing the suffering are the hierarchy of the Church itself, starting with his Bishop who has decided that this priest has embarrassed him one too many times!

Think about it… He spent his entire life studying to be a priest, and that’s what this vindictive Bishop has taken away from him.

Try walking a mile in his shoes, and then see how you feel.

In Christ, Michael
 
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Pentecost2005:
Excuse me, but since when do lay bureaucrats impose mandates on bishops?
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Pentacost:

Since the USCCB decided that they wanted to be their own Church only occasionally submitting to the Pope when it was convenient.

Michael
 
Traditional Ang:
Dear Diane:

You have done a service to Fr. Haley. Thank you.

In Christ, Michael
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If Fr. Haley has not been in contact with the network of priests through Opus Bono Sacerdotii, hopefully it will happen.

I can’t judge his guilt or innocence, but all are entitled to due process and fair judgment. Due process seems to have been sidestepped. One look at what has happened to him is evidence enough for me of the unfairness for priests who stand accused and are removed with little or no help at all.

Please note that there are phone numbers listed. Many priests in this situation would not have the internet. Also, it is not a toll free number so some help may be needed in that regard.

The other option for people is to contact Opus Bono with the name of the priest. I simply sent the links of the articles to Joe Maher of Opus Bono.

Hopefully, Father Haley is aware that we can all pray for quick and fair resolution. I also try to keep in mind that the worst persecutions are so Christ-like to bear. Who was more innocent than our Lord? My hope is that Fr. Haley does not fully fall into a state of spiritual despair, but for love of God and the Church given to us by Jesus Christ, presses on and prays for the courage needed to endur all that he is now and will likely continue to endur.

Priests, Bishops and Cardinals, nor the Pope are Jesus Christ, who was all-perfect. The Church is made up of an ecclesial body that is human and just as prone to the effects of original sin as the rest of us. This goes to any priest who may be guilty, but it also goes to members of the hierarchy - bishops and cardinals - that may have succumbed to various sins potentially wrapped into a case like this.

Opus Bono Sacerdotii does not judge guilt or innocence. It simply ensures that priests have access to the tools needed to defend themselves. Their earning power is next to nothing so when you put a priest out on the street based on “zero-tolerance” before he has had due process, in effect, he immediately begins a sentence without fair judgment.

The network of lay people and priests serving Opus Bono know that Christ came down to save us from our sinfulness. Even if a priest had given in to human temptation, in the worst possible way, Christ commands us to love and leave the judgment to Him. This does not try to sidestep judgment in the court of law. If one has wronged another and violated the law, and found guilty, then certainly there should be a just human punishment.

The whole point is that priests should not be serving a sentence right out of the shoot. Think of the priest that you love so much in your parish and then imagine him standing accused, then left out in the cold with no money for defense. There are many priests who turned out to be innocent after all of this. Even an innocent priest cannot possibly defend himself without money. Even an innocent priest - a human being - is capable of falling into despair.

It sounds to me like Fr. Haley is just about there.

We should pray for the conversion of all.
We all need to pray
 
I cannot disagree with the comments here, but I do think it is important that the people in this thread recognize that the primary charge against Fr. Haley is his disclosure of the scandalous activity of other priests who indulged in illicit affairs, homosexual encounters and immersed themselves in gay culture including the use of the most vile type of pornography imaginable on parish premises. There is a tertiary charge of “sexual misconduct” against Fr. Haley which is related to an incident in which he claims a woman made advances toward him. None of the testimony he gave in his deposition seems to have been disputed by his bishop --the big beef is that his disclosures are said to have incited “animosity” against the bishop by cooperating with the deposition.

See the article below for a clearer picture of why he is being persecuted:
cruxnews.com/rose/rose-19march04.html

The communications attritubuted to Fr. Haley of late do seem to be increasingly angry, emotional, and one could interpret that as “selfish” i.e. not putting the Church first. But please refrain from drawing that conclusion until you have read all the documents in the links cited in the article above. He may not be anyone’s idea of a hero, but even if we attribute some of his behavior to that of a disgruntled “employee,” there is enough substance left to cause all of us great concern for priests who sincerely wish to follow Christ.
 
He is not losing his faith, even if he thinks he is. Note what is hurting him: some of it is certainly the human tendency to ask ‘Where is God?’ in times of trouble - but some of it isn’t:

“Many of those who attended that Mass have no real recognition of the inherent Sacrifice of the Eucharist, or the stunning Miracle of Transubstantiation; they do not know where the Tabernacle is located in their church; they have not been, nor have they been encouraged to go, to confession in years; they have not heard a homily about the Cross, living a moral life, the Blessed Mary, the saints, or often times, even about God Himself.”

No one who had lost his faith could write like that.

Pray for him.

Sue
 
Fr Gerard McGinnity experienced the same thing over here in Ireland.

IS there any way to get these two men in contact???

Very Rev Gerard McGinnity, PP,
Parochial House, Knockbridge, Dundalk, Co Louth
Tel (042) 937 4125
 
it’s sad but this is exactly what God tells will happen to us for doing the right thing. we are truely blessed when we suffer for the sake of the gospel. look at what happened to his Son and joseph in the book of genesis. both were doing the Father’s will and ended up suffering for it. but in the end, were redeemed. all of the apostles minus one were martyrs.

the problem is most bishops today would rather live the easy life then deal with the persecutions and hardships associated with satan’s attack on the church. they are cowards and poor shepards who are supposed to lay their life down for the flock, not have others suffer for them.
 
I truly feel sorry for him…it is a sad situation, but I am also kind of disappointed in him…this is The Cross that God has chosen to give him in life…he is not embracing it…he is rejecting it, and as a Priest, that is not setting a good example for all of us laymen. Like St. Paul says:

“We also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us.” (Romans 5:3-5)
 
Holy smokes…
I can’t believe that this is happening with my Bishop and in my diocese (luckily not in my parish).
This is very troublying, I guess the only thing to do is pray, pray for the truth and put it in Gods hands.
 
I liked how he said people aren’t being taught about the Eucharist… etc…
I think he brings up valid points… and he is challenging the laity by saying if they don’t do something then they are just blind and like sheep with paychecks.
The Roman Catholic bishop here was one of the worst to cover the scandals. He has a vacation house only him and his friends use in a tropical island (not telling where for identity purposes). He bought a 50,000 dollar throne, he has a multi-million dollar house and two cathedrals that are HUGE. But yet the diocese is loosing millions. The people are paying for it while he gets to run around rich. Why can’t he sell some of his property, which is actually the peoples?
There is a problem. A huge problem. Nothing has been done about it and nothing will be.
 
The one thing that stands out to me is that Father Haley is in urgent need of prayers. I will add him to my daily intentions and encourage everyone else to do the same.

God Bless,
Gary
 
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