A pro life argument

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I realized today (maybe this has been said before, if so sorry for redundancy) that people grieve when they have miscarriages, but cheer abortion that takes place at a similar time in pregnancy. Now, why would you grieve if that baby isn’t a person yet? 🧐
 
That “baby” has the opportunity to become a person. Therefore God is sad this opportunity is not given to that “baby”.
 
All of the byproducts of the Sexual Revolution are centered around power, not objectively.

When the woman decides she wants the baby, it is treated like a baby, and when she decides she doesn’t want the baby, it isn’t treated like a baby. The humanity of the fetus is dependent on the wishes of the mother. This is why the standard term used within Planned Parenthood is ‘PoC’ or ‘Product of Conception’ in order to avoid the word ‘baby’ unless the patient chooses to use it.

Pro-life is an objective worldview where the unborn child is always a human being, independent and irrespective to however it is viewed by the mother or father or anybody else. Pro-choice is a subjective worldview, because the way the unborn child is treated and viewed depends on the wishes of the mother.

There is a parallel in transgenderism. The person becomes male or female or another invented gender based on their subjective desires. The person is given power to supersede reality and replace it with their own.

Peace.
 
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The person is not grieving the miscarriage-- they are grieving because they’ve lost the chance to have a baby, at least for the moment.

As for abortion-- nobody, ever, cheered abortion.
 
I may be missing something here, but I don’t think this is entirely true.

I’ve never had a miscarriage, but I’ve known plenty of women who have, and all of them grieve the loss of a child, not the loss of an opportunity.

Many women name their miscarried child(ren) and speak of the child(ren) as “my children who are in heaven.”
 
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As for abortion-- nobody, ever, cheered abortion.
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Maybe “cheered” was the wrong word, probably “celebrated as women’s rights”, and distorting true human rights in the mean time I might add, would have been better. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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That “baby” has the opportunity to become a person. Therefore God is sad this opportunity is not given to that “baby”.
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But fetuses are people, and my point being not about God’s sadness, but the parents who would abort a child and later in life grieve a miscarriage. Sorry if I misunderstood your point in anything in your response…
 
I had a miscarriage at 9 weeks with an unintended first pregnancy (so pretty late in the 1st trimester) and I did grieve for the baby because I wondered if I did something to accidentally kill them.
 
Pro-choice people tend to not view the baby as a baby until born. To give an analogy in line with that logic, imagine one is building a house. The foundation is poured and there are wooden beams to give an outline. If a storm comes and destroys everything, the builders will be mad. The work they put into building what would become a house is gone without their consent. But if during the construction the builder says, “Eh I don’t want to build a house anymore.” and blows it up, they won’t be sad. In one case what was wanted was taken away and in the ither what was no longer wanted was successfully deposed. So the fundamental issue is getting across that a fetus already is a human, not that it could become one,
 
My point is, though, why is it a okay to kill a baby in one instance, but sad if they die without consent in another? Logically, both should be happy or both should be sad events (of course the latter is the Christian way of looking). It makes ZERO sense to me that the same outcome is either good or bad in this case depending on the circumstances.

Note: I realize I’m preaching to the choir here, just trying to organize my own arguments. I don’t wish to sound defensive or argumentative to people whose beliefs mirror my own.
 
Consider though that not all pro-life people treat miscarriages as the loss of a life. Unfortunately, some of the most pro life people I know ignored my miscarriages and acted as if I shouldn’t be grieving. So if you’re going to use this, be prepared for someone to point out the inconsistency in that direction as well.
 
Yeah I have to amend my opinion.

Obviously a late-term miscarriage, especially after the mother starts bonding with a moving baby, is going to be very hard.

I was talking about early-term miscarriages vs. early-term abortions.
 
Yes. I agree with you. Abortion and miscarriages I guess are seen as two different things; except that one is a decided event, and one isn’t. But a living baby in each case. the miscarriage being the uncontrolled event. But to grieve for one lost life and not the other makes no sense. Is this what you mean?
 
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The person is not grieving the miscarriage-- they are grieving because they’ve lost the chance to have a baby, at least for the moment.

As for abortion-- nobody, ever, cheered abortion.
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As a father of a miscarried child I totally resent this remark. I didn’t cry because I lost the chance to be a father. I cried because my baby was dead!!!

Same thing with my wife.

Unless you have lost a child due to miscarriage, I suggest you stop discussing this.

God Bless
 
benjamin1973 said:
Yeah I have to amend my opinion.

Obviously a late-term miscarriage, especially after the mother starts bonding with a moving baby, is going to be very hard.

I was talking about early-term miscarriages vs. early-term abortions.
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Again, you are still totally wrong. My wife miscarried a few weeks after we learned she was pregnant. It was a very dramatic event for both of us. Personally, I didn’t have time to grieve for about a week because I was taking care of her. Then, I finally broke down and cried my eyes out when I finally came to the realization that my first child was dead.

So again, unless you have had a miscarried child, I suggest you stop providing this hypothesis of yours.

God Bless
 
My wife had two miscarriages. We almost gave up, but we had my son. Three time’s a charm I guess.

But I’m not going to take a pea-sized fetus and bury it in a cemetery. And I certainly do not think it was anywhere NEAR as upsetting as it would be if a late-term infant, with fingers and toes and a nervous system, was miscarried. Or my 6 year-old son. It’s not even on the same metric-- unless you are trying really hard for a long time to have a baby and you feel like your’e running out of time.

That’s all I was trying to say, tbh. It is very sad for a couple is to fear they will never be able to reproduce.
 
Very well. I’m sorry for your loss and I will say a quick prayer for your children.

God Bless
 
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But I’m not going to take a pea-sized fetus and bury it in a cemetery.
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Your statement proves the truth of what an earlier poster TK 421 said. “When the woman decides she wants the baby, it is treated like a baby, and when she decides she doesn’t want the baby, it isn’t treated like a baby. The humanity of the fetus is dependent on the wishes of the mother. This is why the standard term used within Planned Parenthood is ‘PoC’ or ‘Product of Conception’ in order to avoid the word ‘baby’ unless the patient chooses to use it.”

You decide what is a human being, and what isn’t. The decision to allow one person to decide what is human and what is not, thereby abrogating its right to life is the basis for all the atrocity committed by all the madmen of all time. “I have the right to decide whether you live or not” Why, because a pea sized fetus, with all the potential of a fully human life, can be considered nothing more than a Product of Conception, not a human life, and it can be done away with at a whim.
 
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