A question about death and the afterlife before Christ

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I know that in Luke 16:22 when the beggar died he was carried “to Abraham’s side” and have heard that certain people who died were freed when Christ descended into Hell. Apologies for my ignorance. Anyhow my question is do all people (particularly Gentiles) who died before Christ go to Hell? Or did they not go to Hell if they’ve been good people? It has been suggested to me that much like we’re all given a chance to follow Christ on Earth when he descended into Hell (Hades, Sheol) he gave all those souls that same chance. So would all Gentiles who lived before Christ be doomed? Is there a particular Catholic position we take on this? Thanks in advance for any answers and sorry for the question.
 
Ioana, good to see your inquiry. Inquiry is the energy needed to seek the path of truth.

In the old days, before Christ, there was no heaven nor hell, just a place where souls went after death. We’ll get back to this later.

For the story of the poor man Lazarus and the Rich man that both died, went to Abraham’s bosom, and then the rich man would beg for a drop of water if the poor man would simply dip his pinky in the water. It’s a story, it’s a parable, it’s Jesus’ message to us saying that … well among many messages … what you do for the least of my brothers you do for me … kind of thing.

Don’t conflate the story in the gospels with how the theology of the Covenants took place.

Back to the differences. The old testament had what was known as Sheol, the underworld, or Abraham’s bosom. This place for the departed souls was not heaven, was not hell, it was a “holding place” of sorts.

During the transition from the old covenant to the new covenant, something amazing happened. we’ve heard that Jesus conquered death, and He did. After he died on the cross, he descended into Hell (this is not the hell that we think of as hell, it is the afterworld of sheol). From there, he opened the gates of “hell”/sheol and let all the souls out to go to their final destination … to be with God for the faithful and to be without God for those who chose not to be with Him.

The zombie-fun part here is that when Christ died, the earth shook, heavens clouded over, and there were fresh dead walking in the temples! That was because the transformation between the old and new covenant with God was so dramatic, it was an astonishing promise God made, kept, and transformed all of humanity with the Promises of Christ.

In the new covenant, there is no Sheol. Just Heaven and Hell. There are two other things that come to mind. Purgatory and Limbo. Purgatory, I like to think as the waiting room for heaven. Of course, it’s not a pleasant waiting room as our earthly attachments and temporal punishments are being doled out, but imagine the suffering you’d go through just to be able to share eternity with the fullness of God’s beatific vision.

Limbo, not dogma (infallible teaching), not doctrine (developed teaching), but is referenced vaguely and is something that theologians like to propose to help make sense of the fullness and understanding of divine revelation. Goes something like this, Heaven is for those who merit eternal life. Hell is for those who chose to exist without God for eternity, which is a really long time, especially towards the end. Theologians like Limbo because it helps us define salvation from a certain perspective … where do the souls go that do not merit salvation but have not chosen to be without God? Think abortions.

If this only opens the door to more questions, let it swing wide open and blast away!

Blessings,
Kevin
 
Thanks a ton for the reply. So like at the death of Christ was all of this neutral hell (I’ll keep using the word hell for convenience) freed and gone to Heaven? Was it Gentiles and Jews alike? Or was it only righteous Jews?
 
Oh, the souls that were in sheol and released at the time of Christ’s victory over death … they did not get judged at that moment, the judgement was already done at the time of thier own death. When Christ opened the gates of “hell”/sheol, the souls just simply went to their respective places based on the judgment that they had for the life they lived during the life they had. Let’s say a dude lived in 2,505 BC, lived a good life, followed the natural law written on his heart, loved fellow man, listened to the tugs that God puts in our hearts … I’d say a fellow like that would definitely merit salvation, okay, let’s say in his personal judgement, he did merit heaven. Well, he’d have to wait until about AD 33 in sheol, then when Christ broke open those gates, that dude from 2,505 BC would zip up to heaven.
 
all human beings alive, jew, gentile, and everyone in between. God loves all humans, regardless of which religion and gives every single human being alive or ever lived or ever will live the sufficient graces to come to know Him … just like you’re doing 🙂
 
Cheers. That makes a ton of sense 🙂 Btw on a side note your profile picture and very calm and clear way of answering give you a very calm and approachable vibe keep it up.
 
let me check I understand. Under the old mosaic covenant, before Jesus, righteous and unrighteous alike went to Shoel?
Does the mosaic and noahide convenants no longer exist now? What about Jews and gentiles who continue to follow these covenants?
 
Well in a sense no. The mosaic covenant promised Christ and thus the covenant has been fulfilled. Shoel only existed because the covenant had not yet been fulfilled. With Christ, the promise of the Old Testament was fulfilled and the souls in Sheol were freed to their eternal resting place. Neither Jews nor Gentiles can follow the old covenant nowadays because that means rejecting the idea that Christ has already fulfilled the Old Covenant. That’s how I understand it at least. Now there’s a New Covenant and the final promise is the Kingdom of God. Again though that’s only my understanding.
 
It makes sense though. Thanks.
I really love the story of the covenant with Noah, but in same way Christ is the fulfillment of that as well with His new convant thru His sacrifice.
 
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