A question about the timelessness of eternity

[cranster]

I’m sorry if I posted this in the wrong section but I got to thinking about time and eternity since my father passed away 3 months ago, and my mother passed away 8 years ago.

If they both arrived in that changeless moment called eternity where there is no passage of time wouldn’t they have experienced all of humanity arriving simultaneously with them since there are no future moments in which other people can arrive? From the moment of my mothers arrival there would be 8 years passing on earth until my father arrived, but from her perspective no moments passed until my father arrived so she should have experienced his arrival simultaneously with hers. If that were the case wouldn’t they also have experienced my arrival as well, and would be speaking to me as I type this?

Now my father had visitations within the last week of his life from his mother, and a grand daughter who were both passed away so I have no idea how they would have theoretically experienced their participation in that event as it corresponded to a specific moment in time from no moments in time unless all events in heaven occur simultaneously so as to not violate the timelessness of eternity.

I just got to missing my Pops, and this is where my mind went so I googled around a little, and found no discussions about it so here I am to have the holes in my logic plugged.

 

[djchez]

While God transcends time, and thus all time is “present” to Him, man is not God. We were created in time, and I would suspect that we will continue to exist in time, albeit perhaps in a different way than we do here.

 

[GEddie]

It is possible to descend into a point in time from eternity, although not to resume living in time.

Collinear time is an effect of the entropy cooking off in our heads, bodies, and world. Once we have taken on everlasting life, we will not experience the collinear time we know now.

ICXC NIKA,

 

[baronne]

Jesus comes to mind first. the Eternal entering our linear time frame.

Then I think of Immanuel Kant- he thought of space and time as perceptions in our minds, as conditions limiting our minds’ operations-- rather than as external realities and attributes of the external world. Or, the mind has its limitations, we can only experience the world as a series of processes in time and space. Space and time are modes of perception, not attributes of the physical world. (As best I understand it.)

The week before my mother died, she was concerned about a baby boy only she could perceive in the back seat of our car and who would take care of him if she left. Her first baby had died before he was a year old.

 

[Marty_E]

If they both arrived in that changeless moment called eternity where there is no passage of time wouldn’t they have experienced all of humanity arriving simultaneously with them since there are no future moments in which other people can arrive?

What we know about time we know from our experience in this natural life.

Time, like space, is a creation of the Creator, who experiences everything past, present, and to come and to whom nothing is unknown.

We do not know how those in the next life, or angels, experience time. We know that as creations they do not share the Creator’s apprehension of the creation.

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[baronne]

I’m sorry if I posted this in the wrong section but I got to thinking about time and eternity since my father passed away 3 months ago, and my mother passed away 8 years ago.

If they both arrived in that changeless moment called eternity where there is no passage of time wouldn’t they have experienced all of humanity arriving simultaneously with them since there are no future moments in which other people can arrive? From the moment of my mothers arrival there would be 8 years passing on earth until my father arrived, but from her perspective no moments passed until my father arrived so she should have experienced his arrival simultaneously with hers. If that were the case wouldn’t they also have experienced my arrival as well, and would be speaking to me as I type this?

Now my father had visitations within the last week of his life from his mother, and a grand daughter who were both passed away so I have no idea how they would have theoretically experienced their participation in that event as it corresponded to a specific moment in time from no moments in time unless all events in heaven occur simultaneously so as to not violate the timelessness of eternity.

I just got to missing my Pops, and this is where my mind went so I googled around a little, and found no discussions about it so here I am to have the holes in my logic plugged.

 

[baronne]

i think that beginnings and endings, arrivals and departures are our concepts here in linear time. in eternity it’s just always was, is, and will be. so now, i’m wondering. what does the church teach about our souls- have they always been?

 

[fred_conty]

i think that beginnings and endings, arrivals and departures are our concepts here in linear time. in eternity it’s just always was, is, and will be. so now, i’m wondering. what does the church teach about our souls- have they always been?

The church teaches that the soul is created individually for each and every person who is conceived. The body is made by our parents.

CCC 366 “The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not produced by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection”

CCC 362 “The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that ‘then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being.’”

The angels also were created individually as well. Obviously they didn’t have parents, but are pure spirits.

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

 

[ynotzap]

At physical death the soul leaves the body, and it is no longer impeded by the bodies physical limitations, but even though this happens, man’s nature doesn’t change. He is still Potency and act, essence and existence, but his state of existence changes, he presently is not matter and form. The soul is the form of the body, and the body is matter. He is still subject to change. The spiritual soul is not eternal, but finite, kept in existence by God. Man still has the capacity for change. This change is a spiritual one. So the intelligence of man and his will are being supplied by God himself, who infuses the intelligence and will with Himself. Man since he is created can not contain God in His immensity so it will take an eternity to enjoy God in the Beatific Vision. God sustains man eternally even though he is finite. We have our being in God, but we are not part of God but we share in His divinity. So time is change, in Heaven it is not physical change, but spiritual change. We do not exist is this world as disembodied spirits, so our existence involves physical change, but also we experience spiritual change when we become knowledgeable for that involves one of the properties of the soul, the intellect. We experience fatigue because our association with matter (our brain eg) the soul when separated will not be so restricted, and knowledge will be infused by God. I would say that your parents see you in this mode of existence, but you are still subjected to the physical change, and they are not. But they still experience spiritual change. As I see it, you are in eternity in the sense what God creates, He creates eternally, presently your existence is in the physical world with all of its physical limits. Those limits have been removed from your parents. You co-exist with them in two different states or modes, yours in physical time ( physical change) and theirs in spiritual eternal change (call it spiritual time) a constant enjoyment of God pouring Himself into us eternally for we can not contain Him fully He is infinite, we remain finite.

 

[Estel]

One day Padre told his doctor: “I’m praying for the good death of my great-great grandfather”. “But he died more than one hundred years ago!" replied the doctor. Padre Pio: “Remember that for God there is no past and no future, and everything is present. So God made use at that time of the prayers I’m saying now.”

Sorry for your losses.