A Strange Question About Confession

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Interestingly during a web search I found this on CAF from a former discussion on this same topic for a gentleman in Japan.

Confession in Foreign Language

There is a link on there that has a good article as well about the responsibilities of someone in such a situation by EWTN.
 
Thanks everyone for the great (name removed by moderator)ut. Thanks to all your comments, I think I have a better handle on what I can do.

BTW, I live on a small island between Japan, South Korea and not too far from China. The local language is a very distinct/unique dialect of Korean.

Thanks again, everyone.

Tamna
 
Considering your location, you may want to look into contacting one of the local military bases. There is usually at least one priest in the area per base and he would likely be more than willing to meet with you off post due to your situation.
 
For the Catholic Encyclopedia, please refer to the current edition (2003) not the one from almost a century ago.

For the Catechism, please cite the specific part you are referring to. Referring to the entire Catechism is not at all helpful.

Thank you.
And found nothing condemning or otherwise banning purely written Confessions. Therefore, I believe they are permitted because they are not explicitly banned.
This is a completely inadequate argument for defending Catholic teaching and practice.

Nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that a ventriloquist cannot “confess” using his dummy. Does that mean such a practice would be considered completely licit and valid by the Catholic Church?
 
this is why I think the formal absolution should be spoken in Latin. Hopefully the confessor can (and will) speak Latin when a vernacular wouldn’t be understood.
I agree and we should know prayers by their Latin names. I went to a priest that said all the prayers in Latin. He was really very good in confession but constantly received resistance for saying the TLM. I found it disturbing our bishop refused to allow him to say it. It’s not the bishops decision anymore. I thought all priests with faculties were allowed.

But yes, the absolution is valid. If you’re unclear what the penance is try to clarify as best you can and if unable to understand, I’m sure you’ve received a solid penance before in the past. Do it and try to find someone that has learned at least a little English. Just learn to trust in God. The anxiety of this situation would be nearly good enough for a penance as it is for you now. God knows your heart. Just asking this is evident you love Him.
 
For the Catholic Encyclopedia, please refer to the current edition (2003) not the one from almost a century ago.

How many people can access the 2003 edition? Can you please show how the previous edition is obsolete on the topic?

For the Catechism, please cite the specific part you are referring to. Referring to the entire Catechism is not at all helpful.

Very good point!

Thank you.

Originally Posted by coolduude:
And found nothing condemning or otherwise banning purely written Confessions. Therefore, I believe they are permitted because they are not explicitly banned.


This is a completely inadequate argument for defending Catholic teaching and practice.

That is quite a reasonable argument because, because in Church Law usually what is not forbidden is allowed. That is similar to the Roman jurisprudence and different from the Anglo-saxon one.

Nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that a ventriloquist cannot “confess” using his dummy. Does that mean such a practice would be considered completely licit and valid by the Catholic Church?

A ventriloquist using the dummy would me make a valid confession (assuming everything else to be valid) because he is the one speaking and not the dummy.
 
How many people can access the 2003 edition? Can you please show how the previous edition is obsolete on the topic?
I don’t know how many people can access the 2003 edition. I’d suggest checking with your local library and diocese.

The previous edition you cited said nothing about the sacrament being celebrated validly by writings one’s sins down as opposed to aural confession. That’s the point. Your link to that edition really didn’t answer the question you responded to.
That is quite a reasonable argument because, because in Church Law usually what is not forbidden is allowed. That is similar to the Roman jurisprudence and different from the Anglo-saxon one.
In some respects, yes. In celebration of the Sacraments (and liturgy in general), no. Meaning, if one is going to add something to a liturgical celebration that is not prescribed by the Church (and of course not proscribed) then the assumption is that such is done by those with the appropriate theological education and authority.

The Book of Rites prescribes how the sacraments and certain other liturgical celebrations are celebrated. Similarly the GIRM and the MIssal prescrbe how Eucharist is to be celebrated.

In the case of the sacrament of Reconciliation, there is no provision given for writing one’s sins down and receiving absolution for them. The importance of aural confession is a long-standing and non-controversial part of Catholic tradition. While there is an exceptional case, General Absolution, that would not require individual aural confession, I really don’t see any legitimate inference that writing something on a piece of paper is a valid (or licit) way to celebrate the sacrament according to Catholic teaching.

Now, of course, there are exceptions to this, i.e. those with hearing and/or speech impediments, I could certainly imagine that in a given pastoral situation, someone who is mute can confess to a priest who does not know sign language by communicating via writing. But, those are, again, exceptions, and not the rule.

Again, if you have other sources or knowledge, please share.
 
Don’t use Google translator … the priest will end up thinking that you are confessing that you stole a house made of cheese from a talking cat.

Internet translators are like the game “telephone,” except what you say gets distorted much more quickly.

That said, I hope you are able to work something out.
 
I don’t know how many people can access the 2003 edition. I’d suggest checking with your local library and diocese.

The previous edition you cited said nothing about the sacrament being celebrated validly by writings one’s sins down as opposed to aural confession. That’s the point. Your link to that edition really didn’t answer the question you responded to.

My comment about the edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia was made because it is not trivial for the readers of an internet thread to go and read the original article. There are so many references on line and I seriously doubt that a change in Edition would make a world of difference. On top of that it is not a binding document, independently of the edition.

In some respects, yes. In celebration of the Sacraments (and liturgy in general), no.

Why not? We are given a minimum set of requirements for the validity of the sacraments. There is usually quite some room for flexibility for things that are not spelled out.A lot has to do with disciplines associated with the sacraments and things can change at the discipline level by either dispensation or exemption.

Meaning, if one is going to add something to a liturgical celebration that is not prescribed by the Church (and of course not proscribed) then the assumption is that such is done by those with the appropriate theological education and authority.

I thought that Canon Law was quite specific in terms of what is allowed and what is not allowed in terms of Liturgy. If you give me a specific example I will be able to really understand what you mean.

The Book of Rites prescribes how the sacraments and certain other liturgical celebrations are celebrated. Similarly the GIRM and the MIssal prescrbe how Eucharist is to be celebrated.

In the case of the sacrament of Reconciliation, there is no provision given for writing one’s sins down and receiving absolution for them. The importance of aural confession is a long-standing and non-controversial part of Catholic tradition.

Completely agree with you.

While there is an exceptional case, General Absolution, that would not require individual aural confession, I really don’t see any legitimate inference that writing something on a piece of paper is a valid (or licit) way to celebrate the sacrament according to Catholic teaching.

Now you are stating in your own opinion and I am not going to argue in favor or against it.

Now, of course, there are exceptions to this, i.e. those with hearing and/or speech impediments, I could certainly imagine that in a given pastoral situation, someone who is mute can confess to a priest who does not know sign language by communicating via writing. But, those are, again, exceptions, and not the rule.

Again, if you have other sources or knowledge, please share.

*I do not have any other sources to share. Honestly I think that the vocal confession of sins is a mandatory requirement for the validity of the sacrament and that the addition of handing out a piece of paper to the priest for translation purposes does not take away anything from the validity.

I remember that once in a sanctuary a Franciscan friar refused the presence of an interpreter in the confessional and decided to go through the confession even if the penitent was not able to speak Italian. He said that the intent was there, the form was there and the fact that he could not understand German was not an hindrance to God’s forgiveness and him giving the absolution*
 
Maybe this is a strange question but here goes:

I live in a place where English is not the primary language. The local priests do not speak English and I have yet to learn to local language.

My question is that if I go to confession with a priest who I do not understand and who does not understand me, is the/my Confession valid? What about Penance? What do I do if the priest assigns penance and I don’t understand what he is saying, what do I do?

Maybe my question has been answered before and I just haven’t found it yet. If this is the case, I apologize for the duplication.

PAX
Can you find a way to translate a list of your sins in English into the foreign language? Maybe you can even put down some possible penances for the priest to choose from. Like put # of Hail Marys ___, # of Our Fathers ____ (in the foreign language of course) You can hand the list with a pen to the priest to read, and he can then give you absolution and your penance.

Regarding penance, it’s not absolutely necessary.
 
My comment about the edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia was made because it is not trivial for the readers of an internet thread to go and read the original article. There are so many references on line and I seriously doubt that a change in Edition would make a world of difference. On top of that it is not a binding document, independently of the edition.
Yes, it’s not trivial. But it can make a world of difference. Much has changed in the last 100 years, and so has the Catholic Encyclopedia. Of course it’s not binding, not authoritative Magisterial teaching. That’s not the point. It’s a valuable reference for Catholics. Right? And the current edition is significantly revised from the previous one. So…any references to this valuable resource should be to the current edition. Right?
 
Why not? We are given a minimum set of requirements for the validity of the sacraments. There is usually quite some room for flexibility for things that are not spelled out.A lot has to do with disciplines associated with the sacraments and things can change at the discipline level by either dispensation or exemption.
A great question for the Church. I can’t answer it. As Vatican II taught, see the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy para 22-23.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html

How much flexibility there is, well, that’s open to speculation, right?
 
Now you are stating in your own opinion and I am not going to argue in favor or against it.
Yes, my opinion. But, it’s my opinion based on my understanding of Church teaching.

If you have any reference from the Church to suggest that writing one’s sins on a piece of paper is a valid and licit way to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation, please share. I have searched quite a bit in reference to this question on this thread, and have not come across any Church teaching that suggests or allows such. Thanks.
 
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