A suicide..."who You called from this life..."

[SuperLuigi]

I should probably just drop it, because I’m starting to think that certain people around here are just misunderstanding me on purpose.

Where did I say the girl didn’t deserve prayer? Go ahead and re read my posts and find the offending sentence. I’ll wait.

Second, how do any of you think you know so much about my life? How do you know if I’ve ever been touched by suicide or euthanasia or mental illness? Some people seem to be making a lot of assumptions.

Also, how do you know that that wording might not be an occasion for scandal, making it sound like suicide is a perfectly valid option? Especially in this day and age when the people in the pro-euthanasia crowd are gaining traction more and more. And as a family member, I wouldn’t find that wording comforting at all–the assumption that God called my loved one from this life through suicide? How is that supposed to be comforting?

Look, I realize that over the Internet, it can be hard to sense tone and sincerity behind a post, but when the OP comes back time and again to explain, and people are still taking offense, and haven’t read all the previous posts, it can scare a bystander away from asking their own sincere questions.

Especially since CAF is supposed to be a safe place to question.

Sent PM

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

Well, if we’re going to question priests on whether or not they are able to pray the Mass according to their training, that’s a slippery slope. You can’t decry that priests do everything wrong when it suits you.
It’s not anyone’s place to criticize or to “judge” the way a priest says Mass for us.
That’s the job of his Bishop.
It’s the Eucharistic prayer. You can’t mess with it. Legalistic people need to remember that when you argue for “by the book” you can’t really complain when the priest prays “by the book”.

Backtracking doesn’t help anything.
The issue is “everyone knew she committed suicide”.
Are we now going to read through the Mass intentions and decide which Masses we should go to based on what the intention is?
Ludicrous, and MOST uncharitable.

I think the OP should bring it up with the Pastor.
I think they would be very surprised at what he says.
I’m out.
May those who perish because of suicide rest in peace.
May God have indeed mercy when he calls all of us home.

It’s ONE of the Eucharistic prayers that priests have the OPTION of choosing. The wording of the Roman Canon would be more appropriate, but I don’t think this is worth getting up in arms about.

 

[porthos11]

Abolish all other Eucharistic prayers, stick with the Roman Canon, BAM, problem solved.

To be quite frank, the Latin church needs no other Eucharistic Prayers, especially those with no historical basis (and no, Eucharistic Prayer II does not date to St. Hippolytus, even if it superficially resembles Hippolytus’) and foundation in tradition.

“Memento etiam, Domine, famulorum famularumque tuarum N. et N., qui nos præcesserunt cum signo fidei et dormiunt in somno pacis. Ipsis, Domine, et omnibus in Christo quiescentibus, locum refrigerii, lucis et pacis, ut indulgeas, deprecamur. (Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.)”

 

[fred_conty]

The priest probably didn’t know of the circumstance of death. In our parish when a Mass is offered, only the name is asked and nothing more. The priest knows no more than the name. Maybe it is different elsewhere.

So it could be that sometimes a note is in order so that the appropriate canon prayer might be chosen. To me this seems to be an oversight right now.

 

[pianistclare]

It’s ONE of the Eucharistic prayers that priests have the OPTION of choosing. The wording of the Roman Canon would be more appropriate, but I don’t think this is worth getting up in arms about.

I didn’t start it.
The post is very hurtful.

 

[johnnyc176]

Also, how do you know that that wording might not be an occasion for scandal, making it sound like suicide is a perfectly valid option? Especially in this day and age when the people in the pro-euthanasia crowd are gaining traction more and more. And as a family member, I wouldn’t find that wording comforting at all–the assumption that God called my loved one from this life through suicide? How is that supposed to be comforting

You asked a good, legitimate question and yes, the woman who had brain cancer and recently took her own life came to mind.

 

[TimothyH]

The OP asked whether the prayer was appropriate because someone who commits suicide was not called by God from life. The answer is that the prayer is appropriate because all are called from life by God, one way or another. It doesn’t matter how we die - all go to God. All are called.

Whether people who commit suicide go to hell or whether the priest should have prayed the Roman Canon or whether we even need any other Eucharistic prayers or where they originate or anyone’s motives or what happened in anyone’s past is completely off topic.

I have answered the question. The prayer is appropriate. I hope the mods close the thread.

-Tim-

 

[MaryT777]

The OP asked whether the prayer was appropriate because someone who commits suicide was not called by God from life. The answer is that the prayer is appropriate because all are called from life by God, one way or another. It doesn’t matter how we die - all go to God. All are called.

Whether people who commit suicide go to hell or whether the priest should have prayed the Roman Canon or whether we even need any other Eucharistic prayers or where they originate or anyone’s motives or what happened in anyone’s past is completely off topic.

I have answered the question. The prayer is appropriate. I hope the mods close the thread.

-Tim-

 

[johnnyc176]

The OP asked whether the prayer was appropriate because someone who commits suicide was not called by God from life. The answer is that the prayer is appropriate because all are called from life by God, one way or another. It doesn’t matter how we die - all go to God. All are called. -Tim-

Yes we are all called but the issue is interfering with that call. In the case of the woman who had brain cancer and very publicly took her own life…the cancer may have been the call from this life but we will never know because she thwarted God’s will by taking her own life.

 

[Sirach2]

The OP asked whether the prayer was appropriate because someone who commits suicide was not called by God from life. The answer is that the prayer is appropriate because all are called from life by God, one way or another. It doesn’t matter how we die - all go to God. All are called.

Whether people who commit suicide go to hell or whether the priest should have prayed the Roman Canon or whether we even need any other Eucharistic prayers or where they originate or anyone’s motives or what happened in anyone’s past is completely off topic.

I have answered the question. The prayer is appropriate. I hope the mods close the thread.

A big hullabaloo over the wording of the E.P., and I must add, it is a banal argument being made and perpetuated by some posters.

Scroll down and take a good look at the E.P. II petitions in the Roman Missal Three that is in current use:

In Masses for the Dead:
Remember your servant N., (for N., the priest may insert the decedent’s name) whom you have called (today) from this world to yourself. Grant that he (she) who was united with your Son in a death like his, may also be one with him in his Resurrection.]

Note, the priest was in full compliance with the rite for funerals.

Now may we please put this thread to rest, as it is most inappropriate.

 

[OraLabora]

What the Church actually teaches about suicide is:

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. the Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

(my bold)

In short we do not know the state of mind of the person taking his or her own life, no more than we know their state of mine with any other grave sin that can have culpability diminished. It is grossly insensitive to suggest that someone not be deserving of the hope of salvation, or not entitled to a Christian burial or prayers after taking his or her life. God alone can make that judgement.

[edited]