A traditional church sui iuris

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

How about 24? That’s all the idea proposes.
Is there anything that prohibits that?
What % is the Latin Church vs any other Rite?
2%, 10%, 50%, 85%, 90%. What?

My only point is that this poster seems to be saying that the Church is the Latin Church and that is not the case.

Same as what I was saying in the other tread where that poster was saying that all the saints of the Church have come from the Tridentine Mass.

It seems that some of those in the Tridentine movement are of the mindset that either the Latin Church is the only Church or it is a superior Church, which it is neither.

 

[bear06]

Well, since the Tridentine movement tends to have larger families, we should be catching up quickly. Can’t ignore us too much longer.

Actually, most conservative Catholics (and that would include the traditionalists) have larger families. I have six and two of my friends are both on their 11th and we’re Novus Ordo attendees. Most of my friends have 5 or more kids. Just about the only ones that don’t simply haven’t been able to do so.

 

[Uxor]

Let’s hope so.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c156/paramedicgirl/hippy-peace.jpg

You and Bob are soooo funny! It’s nice to see people on a forum with a sense of humor.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

How about 24? That’s all the idea proposes.
Is there anything that prohibits that?
What % is the Latin Church vs any other Rite?
2%, 10%, 50%, 85%, 90%. What?

All the non-Latin churches combined amount to around 2% of the Catholic Church.

 

[devotus]

an apostolic administration ( like campos) is more likely

catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dsjmv.html

 

[Brendan]

One more ‘plus’ of having a Traditional sui juris Church,

a whole new brand of bishops showing up at the USCCB meetings

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

One more ‘plus’ of having a Traditional sui juris Church,

a whole new brand of bishops showing up at the USCCB meetings

The concomitant ‘con’ being, of course, that they wouldn’t get to vote on things affecting only the Novus Ordo church.

 

[mattheus09]

To have a “Tridentine Church” would be very bad. The Tridentine Mass is a mass of the Roman Rite. And to make it not part of the Roman Rite would take a great thing away from the Roman Rite. If this were to happen, we might lose our beloved patriarch…the Pope. I think that this would cause a greater schism in the church…because Traditionalists WOULD NOT be happy. This is of course my opinion.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

To have a “Tridentine Church” would be very bad. The Tridentine Mass is a mass of the Roman Rite. And to make it not part of the Roman Rite would take a great thing away from the Roman Rite. If this were to happen, we might lose our beloved patriarch…the Pope. I think that this would cause a greater schism in the church…because Traditionalists WOULD NOT be happy. This is of course my opinion.

Well, let’s be careful about our terminology here because a “Tridentine church’s” proper liturgy would be the Roman rite - that’s what the 1962 missal is, and I think many would argue that despite the fact that both it and the 1970-2002 missals share a name, the former’s claim to the name is much stronger.

The main concern at work, and I think it is the most important one, is that a church sui iuris would a) damage the Romanness of that church, because it’s primate/patriarch would probably no longer be the pope but some sort of major archbishop, and b) pretend the classical Roman rite is only the possession of a subset of the Latin church, when in fact it is the heritage of all Latins. I didn’t start the thread to advocate, I just wanted to see if others might have more pros or cons than what I initially proposed. So far, this objection seems to be the determinant factor in most peoples’ decisions.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The main concern at work, and I think it is the most important one, is that a church sui iuris would a) damage the Romanness of that church, because it’s primate/patriarch would probably no longer be the pope but some sort of major archbishop, and b) pretend the classical Roman rite is only the possession of a subset of the Latin church, when in fact it is the heritage of all Latins. I didn’t start the thread to advocate, I just wanted to see if others might have more pros or cons than what I initially proposed. So far, this objection seems to be the determinant factor in most peoples’ decisions.

I do not think this would necessarily be so. After all, not every Church in the Byzantine Rite has a patriarch or major archbishop at the head.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

I do not think this would necessarily be so. After all, not every Church in the Byzantine Rite has a patriarch or major archbishop at the head.

I thought probably just because a TLM church would probably dwarf most of those churches, who tend to have only a few thousand members. But you’re right - ain’t necessarily so.