A Turing Test for Angels

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I have a group questions closely related to each other and in reflection on a thread I ran before:

a.How (if at all) could a person convince you they were an angel through the medium of text or e-mail?

b.Since angels often influence by whispers, how could you tell if the whispers were from your own conscience or from an angel?

c.If you saw an angel, what would you need in order to convince yourself that it was real rather than a figment of your imagination?

d.Are the brightest human intellects a millimeter or a kilometer below the lowest angelic intellects?

Feel free to tackle all or any subset of these in your reply. Look forward to your ideas!
 
To address “D.”:

I think the Angelic intellect operates on a completely separate plane or perhaps even dimension of knowing, so it’s a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Their knowledge and intellect cannot be compared to humans, it seems to me. They come to know things in an instantaneous way and in a complete way that makes the largest band-width fiber optic back bone on this little blue planet look like a slow boat to China. They are vastly superior; we only stand against the fallen ones by the Mercy of God and the limitations he puts on their evil designs. The angels know things in such an instantaneous way and we plod on from bit of info to bit. It’s a bit like comparing a caterpillar to a falcon, I think. Yet the angels love us dearly and we them. One day we shall be more like them.
 
To address “D.”:

I think the Angelic intellect operates on a completely separate plane or perhaps even dimension of knowing, so it’s a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Their knowledge and intellect cannot be compared to humans, it seems to me. They come to know things in an instantaneous way and in a complete way that makes the largest band-width fiber optic back bone on this little blue planet look like a slow boat to China. They are vastly superior; we only stand against the fallen ones by the Mercy of God and the limitations he puts on their evil designs. The angels know things in such an instantaneous way and we plod on from bit of info to bit. It’s a bit like comparing a caterpillar to a falcon, I think. Yet the angels love us dearly and we them. One day we shall be more like them.
But yet they can communicate with us, so they must be able to operate at our processing speeds, right?
 
I would say they are digital to the 100th power, but they can sure go analog when they need to do that for our sake.
 
I have a group questions closely related to each other and in reflection on a thread I ran before:

a.How (if at all) could a person convince you they were an angel through the medium of text or e-mail?
By telling me a lot about exactly what I am thinking and by telling me how to construct devices that are far beyond our current technological level.
b.Since angels often influence by whispers, how could you tell if the whispers were from your own conscience or from an angel?
If they told me what I was thinking and left it on a recorder, then I would have tangible proof for later on.
c.If you saw an angel, what would you need in order to convince yourself that it was real rather than a figment of your imagination?
For the angel to leave behind something tangible, like the painting of the Blessed Virgin on Juan Diego’s tilma. It might not convince other people, but if such a thing appeared all of a sudden on a piece of clothing that I was sure had not been tampered with, I would believe for sure.
d.Are the brightest human intellects a millimeter or a kilometer below the lowest angelic intellects?
The brightest human intellects are much lower than the intellect of the least intelligent angel. The strongest humans are much weaker than the weakest angel. The fastest humans are much slower than the slowest angel.

The conditions above are sufficient, although they may not be the least that would do the job. I might be convinced by much less, but those would definitely do it. I’m not sure how to pick a boundary.
 
I wonder: must the signs and wonders always be ambiguous enough that they would not tilt our faith if it were wavering lest it hinder free will? I hadn’t thought of that before, but I cannot call to mind a case where a non-believer was swayed by a vision or visitation by angels.

Hmm. I guess in that case the puzzle of finding the lowest boundary would become more interesting and more important.
 
a.How (if at all) could a person convince you they were an angel through the medium of text or e-mail?
It is possible. For example Jesus is typing these words right now with some typos. 😃
b.Since angels often influence by whispers, how could you tell if the whispers were from your own conscience or from an angel?
It is very difficult task which requires serious challenge with the fruit of self-awareness.
c.If you saw an angel, what would you need in order to convince yourself that it was real rather than a figment of your imagination?
Hallucination does exist not.
d.Are the brightest human intellects a millimeter or a kilometer below the lowest angelic intellects?
Intellect matters but it does not count.
 
I have a scene in my latest novel (see my signature below) in which it is questionable whether or not a certain individual is from God, and the test I have my character use to find out is in the Bible: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:3)

(You’ll have to read the book if you want to know how this turns out, but you can read it free online or at the lowest price Kindle allows.)
 
I have a scene in my latest novel (see my signature below) in which it is questionable whether or not a certain individual is from God, and the test I have my character use to find out is in the Bible: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:3)

(You’ll have to read the book if you want to know how this turns out, but you can read it free online or at the lowest price Kindle allows.)
And how you testify holly spirit?
 
a.How (if at all) could a person convince you they were an angel through the medium of text or e-mail?
Speed amongst other things. Answers would be almost instantaneous. They wouldn’t need to type SMS messages one letter at a time the way we do.
b.Since angels often influence by whispers, how could you tell if the whispers were from your own conscience or from an angel?
A couple of times I’ve had a voice say something to me that I think was either divine or angelic in origin. First of all it was very clear. I also knew it didn’t come from me. And it specifically answered an issue or issues I’d been thinking about. Actually, it didn’t give the answer on any occasion, but asked a leading question each time, leading the choice or decision to me.

For example, I once had a crush on an unsuitable young lady in our church (long time ago now). The question was, out of the blue, and very, very clear, “Bob! Is (young lady’s name) SUITED to you?” with an emphasis on the word “suited”. My pastor had been trying to talk me out of it, and this just followed on when I was rather crankily complaining in my own mind about the issue. It most certainly didn’t come from me.

So in this case, context, and the fact it most definitely wasn’t what I wanted to hear.
c.If you saw an angel, what would you need in order to convince yourself that it was real rather than a figment of your imagination?
I think I’d swoon, a bit like the soldiers at the tomb when the angel appeared to roll away the stone. You’d know about it if one turned up in supernatural form.
d.Are the brightest human intellects a millimeter or a kilometer below the lowest angelic intellects?
Someone else answered this fairly well. Their knowledge and understanding is just given to them. We have to laboriously learn the arithmetic tables off by rote. They would just know immediately. It would be given to them. In any case, they’re basically disembodied intelligences.

I had a bit of a demonic attack last night. A dream turned into a nightmare of sorts and when I woke up I was aware of things hanging around the ceiling. But they had no real form, and yet I’m pretty sure they were what might be called disembodied intelligences just on the edge of visibility. And I’m not the only one either.

I mentioned this to another Catholic I work with (we both go to the same church) and he replied, “Oh, I just appeal to the blood of Christ.” In my case I usually say some “Hail Mary’s” in my head and before long the oppressive sense fades.

Just why it happened last night I don’t know.

But the point I’m trying to make is that angels (and demons, which are just fallen angels) are disembodied intelligences. Their intelligence is a gift, and they just “know”, whereas we have to train our brain cells to accept and correlate new information, rather slowly.

I suppose they’re a bit like a computer in one sense. You can just load a computer up with the Encyclopedia Britannica, and when you turn it on, it just “knows” all that information. We on the other hand would struggle for years trying to assimilate all that detail, bit by bit.
 
Lets make it simpler. How could you make sure that what is declared as holly spirit is really holly spirit?
I think Kay Cee means that she would ask the “angel” to say, “Jesus is Lord,” because no evil spirit would be able to say that. Is that the question you were asking?

Kay Cee, I don’t see how that proves positive for angel, just that it disproves that the being is a demon. Thoughts?
 
I think Kay Cee means that she would ask the “angel” to say, “Jesus is Lord,” because no evil spirit would be able to say that. Is that the question you were asking?

Kay Cee, I don’t see how that proves positive for angel, just that it disproves that the being is a demon. Thoughts?
Why a bad spirit cannot say that? They are not afraid of God.
 
I think Kay Cee means that she would ask the “angel” to say, “Jesus is Lord,” because no evil spirit would be able to say that. Is that the question you were asking?

Kay Cee, I don’t see how that proves positive for angel, just that it disproves that the being is a demon. Thoughts?
Right, but that’s what’s going on in the scene I’m describing.
 
What is a ‘Turing test’
Named after Alan Turing, the brilliant mathematician who helped break the Enigma code in WWII and invented modern computers along the way, the test is a set up to see if a person corresponding with someone in another room can correctly determine if the other one is human or a computer. (Used analogously here.)
 
Named after Alan Turing, the brilliant mathematician who helped break the Enigma code in WWII and invented modern computers along the way, the test is a set up to see if a person corresponding with someone in another room can correctly determine if the other one is human or a computer. (Used analogously here.)
I did wonder if it was named after Alan Turing, but I asked because I was surprised to see him referenced on this website as he was famously gay
 
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