Abortion (A truth, and a small confession of my own)

[Crown_of_Stars]

What it all boils down to, aside from all of the hundreds of excuses, is the fact that a woman just does not want to have to carry a growing child inside of her for nine months. It is the physical discomfort, possibly even the weight gain. I have never been pregnant, and I myself never wish to be either. I don’t condone abortion, and I am just saying that I wish these people who are all for it would just quit with the trying to make excuses and just admit what I know to be the truth. It is only because it involves having to endure nine months (possibly shorter, but a long time no less) of being in a certain condition. If God hadn’t designed it to be this way, I don’t think it would even be an issue. If a child could even, let’s say, grow within her mother’s womb for a week, no discomfort or any “showing” for the mother, and that baby could slip out easily, at home, in the bathtub, and from there, the mother could decide whether or not she wants to keep it and raise it or give it away.
Now don’t we all agree that the physical condition of nine months is the whole issue.
I know I have been hardened lately on this topic. But you will be surprised to know that I myself would not want to be pregnant either. Please leave my thread on this forum and don’t remove it. I want others to read it and to have a chance to somewhat make an apology for how hateful I have seemed. Again, it doesn’t at all mean I condone it, but I do understand.

 

[ShrodingersCat]

What it all boils down to, aside from all of the hundreds of excuses, is the fact that a woman just does not want to have to carry a growing child inside of her for nine months. It is the physical discomfort, possibly even the weight gain. I have never been pregnant, and I myself never wish to be either. I don’t condone abortion, and I am just saying that I wish these people who are all for it would just quit with the trying to make excuses and just admit what I know to be the truth. It is only because it involves having to endure nine months (possibly shorter, but a long time no less) of being in a certain condition. If God hadn’t designed it to be this way, I don’t think it would even be an issue. If a child could even, let’s say, grow within her mother’s womb for a week, no discomfort or any “showing” for the mother, and that baby could slip out easily, at home, in the bathtub, and from there, the mother could decide whether or not she wants to keep it and raise it or give it away.
Now don’t we all agree that the physical condition of nine months is the whole issue.
I know I have been hardened lately on this topic. But you will be surprised to know that I myself would not want to be pregnant either. Please leave my thread on this forum and don’t remove it. I want others to read it and to have a chance to somewhat make an apology for how hateful I have seemed. Again, it doesn’t at all mean I condone it, but I do understand.

Just because you feel that way doesn’t mean every other woman feels the same. In general I would hazard that most abortions are not due to purely physical reasons. I can relate to the feeling of disliking the concept of pregnancy taking so long and impacting your life but I would never assume that I am in the majority in any way. That is an issue I have that I need to work on and get over.

 

[jaimeleglise]

Sadly, some people do not want to raise a child because that would involve sacrifice of hard work time and money.

 

[PassingSoul]

What it all boils down to, aside from all of the hundreds of excuses, is the fact that a woman just does not want to have to carry a growing child inside of her for nine months. It is the physical discomfort, possibly even the weight gain. I have never been pregnant, and I myself never wish to be either. I don’t condone abortion, and I am just saying that I wish these people who are all for it would just quit with the trying to make excuses and just admit what I know to be the truth. It is only because it involves having to endure nine months (possibly shorter, but a long time no less) of being in a certain condition. If God hadn’t designed it to be this way, I don’t think it would even be an issue. If a child could even, let’s say, grow within her mother’s womb for a week, no discomfort or any “showing” for the mother, and that baby could slip out easily, at home, in the bathtub, and from there, the mother could decide whether or not she wants to keep it and raise it or give it away.
Now don’t we all agree that the physical condition of nine months is the whole issue.
I know I have been hardened lately on this topic. But you will be surprised to know that I myself would not want to be pregnant either. Please leave my thread on this forum and don’t remove it. I want others to read it and to have a chance to somewhat make an apology for how hateful I have seemed. Again, it doesn’t at all mean I condone it, but I do understand.

I think you are over simplifying the issue. There are psychological issues , mental issues, societal issues, that pop up in one’s mind. She may think "what kind of Mother am I who gives up her own baby ". As Catholics we look at it as a worthy sacrifice to not choose abortion but in her mind it’s the opposite. Let’s face it " many people feel you had the baby now take care of it, don’t ask me to pay taxes to support it " I’m sure there are women who choose abortion as a matter of inconvenience but I think it’s not a casual decision on any woman. We don’t hear Politicans say anything more than I’m pro-life. Okay now what are you willing to do in supporting these babies.

 

[tweedlealice]

Salutations, Sister in Christ,
Your thoughts are shared by some. I was so happy, in1969, when affirmed that I was pregnant, I started wearing maternity clothes before I was showing.
So, I don’t fit in your category. As a nurse, I knew what to expect. The funniest thing was at 7months, when my naval or umbilical would wiggle in and out w laughing.My husband and I played around w that for a little while.We laughed so hard, we cried.
Most abortions are teenage pregnancies… The next are unwanted pregnancies. This is using abortions for birth control. When you think about all the education in schools to prevent pregnancies, why does this happen. Free condoms are available at many known sites. Our children are exposing themselves to all kind of STD’s, HIV, and Herpes.The last 2 are manageable but not cured. Magic Johnson is still alive but a has money. The total drug mix to contain HIV, is not affordable to us, the low to middle clqss. The 1 or 2 meds given us can work but a I don’t think we’d live as long as Magic. The health of the mother is lame. They can C-SECTION at six months. The baby may have a rough time of it w underdeveloped lungs and have to be on a ventilator.But that baby has to come out. That is why partial birthday abortions are murder.
Even prochoice people agree that it should be banned. BUT WHO WILL PAY FOR NICU CARE FOR 3 MONTHS.?? A partial birth abortion is where a person can be
8 and a 1/2 months pregnant and the doctor (I use this term loosely =DO NO HARM IN HIS OATH) delivers the body to the neck, stabs the baby at the exposed
Neck and then sucks his or her’s brain out.
If a genetic condition is found on ultra sound or amniocentesis, such as Down syndrome, sickle cell, anencephaly, etc.
The Father of teen or the baby forces the issue. If pt is a psych pt, that requires
Her taking meds or her psych condition will worsen, that validates by some for an abortion.
Body dysmorphia, as you suggest, is last reason… Remember Scarlett O’Harare w GONE WITH THE WIND. BUT Brett my body will get ugly, agwin.
A large part of the world’s population see pregnancy the and the shape changing a woman goes through, as beautiful. It is truly a miracle.
But all women, who 2ish not to get pregnant, use birth control. Condoms all the time. No condom=NO SEX!! Keep a supply on you and make sure they aren’t past the expiration date.
May God open the eyes of your people…May you help women to go through the
Pregnancy and delivery w/o complications… let your love be felt at a woman’s mist troubled time.Blessed Mother be w us in our bed and pray for us.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

 

[Lea101]

I wouldn’t say that the “fear of getting fat” is the number 1 reason why people want abortions…

you do have a point though…

if pregnancy was a fairly simply process, doesn’t require pain, money, discomfort etc, more people would simply choose adoption. You tell a pro choice advocate to give the baby for adoption, they will usually retort “so you are going to force a woman to carry the baby for 9 months!?”. Because let’s be real…pregnancy ain’t sunshine and flowers. It’s something that can hold a woman back. Even after you give birth, you got to let your body heal, the breast milk etc, can just be tooo much of a hassle for a woman who didn’t want to get pregnant.

But sometimes, even if giving birth was as easy as pooping, and it takes like, 1 week for a baby to grow, some women just don’t want the title of “mother”. They don’t want to bring life to such a horrible world, they think they cannot bear to leave the baby (and if they keep the baby, their whole life will be different, one would have to possibly throw away her dreams to be a mom) and the mother would feel like the likelihood of the child being adopted by loving parents is slim.

 

[Tim_D]

Now don’t we all agree that the physical condition of nine months is the whole issue.

Uh, no, we don’t.

An unwed teen who contemplates an abortion is probably more concerned over how having an infant is going to affect her life, her relationship with her family and future struggles than saying, “ewww…I don’t want to get fat.”

I think your point of view is hopelessly naive.

 

[XndrK]

Uh, no, we don’t.

An unwed teen who contemplates an abortion is probably more concerned over how having an infant is going to affect her life, her relationship with her family and future struggles than saying, “ewww…I don’t want to get fat.”

I think your point of view is hopelessly naive.

She has a point. I do agree with you that the main problem is “holy [expletive], how on Earth am I going to raise a child”, but at the same time, pregnancy is physically taxing and that can’t be denied. Calling her POV “hopelessly naive” is itself naïve of that fact.

 

[Tim_D]

She has a point. I do agree with you that the main problem is “holy [expletive], how on Earth am I going to raise a child”, but at the same time, pregnancy is physically taxing and that can’t be denied. Calling her POV “hopelessly naive” is itself naïve of that fact.

The vast majority of abortions occur because contraception failed. Of the vast amount of information about abortion in the U.S., I have never seen that a prominent reason for its occurrence was simply because the mother to be did not want to become fat or simply because it was physically taxing. Abortion is a modern day holocaust especially in the black community. Are you so naive as to think that it is occurring simply because black women don’t want to be fat or because of the are afraid of it being physically taxing?

 

[XndrK]

The vast majority of abortions occur because contraception failed. Of the vast amount of information about abortion in the U.S., I have never seen that a prominent reason for its occurrence was simply because the mother to be did not want to become fat or simply because it was physically taxing. Abortion is a modern day holocaust especially in the black community. Are you so naive as to think that it is occurring simply because black women don’t want to be fat or because of the are afraid of it being physically taxing?

First off, cool your jets.

Second off, I believe that the fact that it is physically taxing and there are few resources to help that is one of the reasons that women feel they can’t afford a child. When you’re physically taxed like that, it’s hard to keep a job, which means that it’s hard to keep earning a living, and since a lot of these women are single mothers anyway, that means they can’t afford a baby.

Again, we as a movement need to put more into offering alternatives to abortion and handing women the tools to be successful mothers, as well as putting men on the spot to help be fathers. Looking at the child and no one else hurts everybody.

 

[Tim_D]

First off, cool your jets.

Second off, I believe that the fact that it is physically taxing and there are few resources to help that is one of the reasons that women feel they can’t afford a child. When you’re physically taxed like that, it’s hard to keep a job, which means that it’s hard to keep earning a living, and since a lot of these women are single mothers anyway, that means they can’t afford a baby.

Again, we as a movement need to put more into offering alternatives to abortion and handing women the tools to be successful mothers, as well as putting men on the spot to help be fathers. Looking at the child and no one else hurts everybody.

Again, the vast majority of abortions occur as a means of birth control. Your suggestion that abortion occurs because pregnant women find that “it’s hard to keep a job” is completely and utter nonsense, completely contrary to the mountains of evidence and statistics.

 

[Lea101]

Again, the vast majority of abortions occur as a means of birth control. Your suggestion that abortion occurs because pregnant women find that “it’s hard to keep a job” is completely and utter nonsense, completely contrary to the mountains of evidence and statistics.

I don’t think you fully get the point. If pregnancy was an easy breezy thing, there will be some people who would choose adoption over abortion. There are women who refuse abortion because they feel like pro life people are forcing them to carry the baby for 9 months when they never wanted the baby. It’s commonly used as an argument, especially with younger women. They’d rather abort than to spend 9 months, which can affect their current lifestyle, being pregnant. It might not drastically reduce the rate of abortion, but it’s definitely a factor I feel that is significant enough

 

[Tim_D]

I don’t think you fully get the point. If pregnancy was an easy breezy thing, there will be some people who would choose adoption over abortion. There are women who refuse abortion because they feel like pro life people are forcing them to carry the baby for 9 months when they never wanted the baby. It’s commonly used as an argument, especially with younger women. They’d rather abort than to spend 9 months, which can affect their current lifestyle, being pregnant. It might not drastically reduce the rate of abortion, but it’s definitely a factor I feel that is significant enough

It is a statistical fact that abortion occurs because birth control failed. The same is true for the “rape/incest” argument. Less than 2% of abortions occurs because of rape/incest. The other 98% occur because women do not want to have to take responsibility for their actions. This thread is the first time that I have ever heard the argument that women choose abortion to avoid the the unpleasantness of pregnancy.

 

[CRATUS]

The vast majority of abortions occur because contraception failed. Of the vast amount of information about abortion in the U.S., I have never seen that a prominent reason for its occurrence was simply because the mother to be did not want to become fat or simply because it was physically taxing. Abortion is a modern day holocaust especially in the black community. Are you so naive as to think that it is occurring simply because black women don’t want to be fat or because of the are afraid of it being physically taxing?

Some see this as a way of eliminating the black race. Eugenics. Getting rid of the minorities.

 

[Rau]

…Now don’t we all agree that the physical condition of nine months is the whole issue.

No, the 9 months of physical impact is not the whole issue. For some there is the embarrassment and/or shame of being seen to be pregnant. For some, it is the impact on their life for several of those 9 months. For others it is the impact on the 18+ years of their life after the 9 months - for they do feel some angst about the idea of discarding their born child - more angst than they feel about discarding the child prior to birth. And a range of other factors.

 

[Lea101]

It is a statistical fact that abortion occurs because birth control failed. The same is true for the “rape/incest” argument. Less than 2% of abortions occurs because of rape/incest. The other 98% occur because women do not want to have to take responsibility for their actions. This thread is the first time that I have ever heard the argument that women choose abortion to avoid the the unpleasantness of pregnancy.

Well…duh!

Say I am a woman who had sex. Condom broke. I got pregnant. I panic, I don’t want a kid at all. If pregnancy was a easy process, no baby bump, no pain, etc, I would consider adoption, because hey, why not. It’s not like people around me will see that I am pregnant, it’s not like I will have to stop working for a while, or whatever. Life goes on.

(will gently point out that if adoption was an easier process, women would want to choose adoption over abortion)

But alas, this is not the real world. People will see that I am pregnant, I’m going to have physical discomfort, I would probably have to miss work a couple of times, and depending on my job, I probably cannot do the things I like to do. All for a baby I don’t even want. So abortion, because why should I carry a baby to full term? It’s my body!! I can do whatever I want! Pro women!!!

Nobody wants an abortion because they don’t want a baby bump. People want abortions because they don’t want a baby. That’s obviously common sense. The point is that women who don’t want babies won’t be so obsessed with abortions if pregnancies weren’t so “invasive” to their lifestyles. I mean…have we seen the arguments they make for contraception?

I mean…if we lay eggs like flies and let them hatch and we carry on with our lives, do you really think the world will fight for legal abortion? (Ok, this is a weird point, but basically getting rid of fertilized eggs so we don’t have to lay eggs…lol)

There’s obviously no point in discussing this, since it’s not like we can change pregnancy…but like I said…pregnancy is a hard no for these women. It’s a consequence for their actions and they don’t want it. Because pregnancy is a big consequence.

 

[edlinked]

It’s true that we don’t want to suffer, and in my opinion it’s true that being pregnant is a type of “suffering” and a type of “cross”.

But we need to remember:
“20 Amen, amen, I say to you, you will weep and mourn, while the world rejoices; you will grieve, but your grief will become joy. 21 When a woman is in labor, she is in anguish because her hour has arrived; but when she has given birth to a child, she no longer remembers the pain because of her joy that a child has been born into the world.” John 16, 20-21

The ability to comprehend that a child has been born in the world, is the principle, I think.

I would say that we need to remember even if it Is just theoretically, the cross is the way to love, the ability to sacrifice and detach is the way to love, only by denying one’s life for God we will have life, as if we try to save our life we will meet our demise.

The problem is about not seeing sacrifice as a way to love, but it is more important to understand that one is alive because one woman said, one is worth it. This is the big problem. Love is not about commodity, it is about the cross (because in the ability for the cross you will surely do goodness, act charity), if you can’t walk toward the cross we are not loving. And this is hard to do (Gods way is very difficult sometimes), but this is the theory of it and we need to know it by heart (because it is hard to act it). (And tell it to others because this is The Way)

The basis of the problem for me is that we don’t know where love resides, we can’t see where love is, we can’t name love, love is of God for God is love. We don’t know God or maybe don’t want Him to be in our lives, because then things get “difficult” (true love is not easy).
We are willing to do sacrifices if we think they are going to bring us good things. But when we don’t see the good things, even if in reality something is very good, we will not make any sacrifices.
So the problem is that we don’t see the good thing (our eyes don’t want to see), we don’t see the person, and if we don’t see the person, we are being blind, and that’s a big problem.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Sadly, some people do not want to raise a child because that would involve sacrifice of hard work time and money.

I grew up in a poor family, I am the 3rd of six living children from my mother. She lost three, so nine total. My mother would have given anything for those children to live. The fact that THIS hurts her emotionally (not to mention me too, I really hope to meet them one day), tells me that maternal instinct is natural, and nothing to fear. I have met women who’ve had abortions (including my own maternal grandmother, and it was against her will, I mean, it was performed without her consent) and many of the women I’ve met that have had abortions…regret it. My sister had a daughter that died when she was like ten weeks old, guess who’s the most active pro-lifer in my family? I mean, all of us ARE Pro-life, but she is by far the most involved, followed by me. Abortion is honestly that disgusts me, and I have helped other people changed their views on it. I have a friend of mine that had a miscarriage (and she was not married), she was against abortion before her pregnancy. however, a little before I met her, she identified as “pro-abortion” not “pro-choice”, “pro-abortion”. She even told me she “used to be pro-abortion”. When she lost her own child though, I think it still made it that much more real then her. It’s difficult for me to talk about, but worse for her. I don’t think she realised she wanted children until she lost one (remember, she does not support abortion). I told her “you aren’t going to BE a mother, you ARE a mother”. This is something to remember about all pregnant women. They ARE mothers, whether they lost their child or not. My father died when I was a child, but he’s still my father.

 

[PassingSoul]

It is a statistical fact that abortion occurs because birth control failed. The same is true for the “rape/incest” argument. Less than 2% of abortions occurs because of rape/incest. The other 98% occur because women do not want to have to take responsibility for their actions. This thread is the first time that I have ever heard the argument that women choose abortion to avoid the the unpleasantness of pregnancy.

Of course neither does the man want to take responsibility for his actions. The burden is fully on the woman. In the past we had shotgun weddings. Parents were a support group for their kids. With single parents both the left and the right fail as support groups in reducing abortion. It’s easy to say I’m Pro-Life without any conviction of taking responsibility for accepting an unwanted baby just send these kids to Foster Homes. Pro-Choice will take the easy way out of just aborting an unwanted baby.

 

[edlinked]

The problem is about not seeing sacrifice as a way to love, but it is more important to understand that one is alive because one woman said, one is worth it. This is the big problem. Love is not about commodity, it is about the cross (because in the ability for the cross you will surely do goodness, act charity), if you can’t walk toward the cross we are not loving. And this is hard to do (Gods way is very difficult sometimes), but this is the theory of it and we need to know it by heart (because it is hard to act it). (And tell it to others because this is The Way)

Just wanted to make a correction: the phrase was not “Love is not a commodity” it was “Love is not about convenience”.