Abortion and the Catholic Church

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How does the Catholic Church view abortion in cases of incest, rape, and mothers life in danger? I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance. Does that make me pro choice?
 
How does the Catholic Church view abortion in cases of incest, rape, and mothers life in danger?
The Catholic Church views all abortions as exactly what they are, the killing of a child. Murder. A grave sin against the Fifth Commandment.
I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance.
Explain to me how a child conceived in this circumstances is any different than any other child. Explain to me why this child should be killed. Explain to me why this child does not deserve life. Explain to me how killing this child is not murder and a grave sin against the child and God.

The circumstances are terrible, and in such cases there are two victims. Why should one of these victims be executed for the crime their parent committed?
Does that make me pro choice?
Yes. It does.

You believe women should have a legal right to “choose” to kill their babies.
 
The Church teaches that abortion, the deliberate killing of an unborn child, is always wrong.

In certain rare circumstances the situation of the unborn child poses a certainty of death for the mother, such as ectopic pregnancy. In this situation, a procedure that is performed on the mother with the intent of saving the mother’s life may have a secondary effect of killing the child. Such as procedure is permissible, provided the death of a child is strictly a secondary effect.

It is not permissible to perform any procedure designed to kill the child, even when there is a claim that the child has to be killed to save the mother’s life. There are virtually no situations in which such a thing is necessary anyway.

With regards to rape and incest, I know the situation is a difficult one, particularly for the mother of the new child. If we were dealing with anything other than a human person then the destruction of the product of an evil action could possibly be warranted. We are, however, dealing with a new human life that was **created **by and is **loved **by God, and is who wholly and completely good. How great is our God that he brings such goodness out of such evil!

So, while the woman is pregnant as the result of an evil act and she is now seriously imposed upon by this new life, I think it helps to remember that we are now dealing with a human life that can’t be killed just because he or she came into the world through undesirable means. The new child deserves and has a right to life, and ought to be a source of great joy to the woman, who will hopefully rejoice that God has brought such good and such beauty out of her suffering and denigration.

No, I do not think you are pro-choice, I just urge you to be completely and wholly pro-life, more so than you already are. I am glad you are asking honest questions and please always replace in your mind the word “abortion” with the words “deliberate killing of a human child.” That helps me in those tough scenarios.
 
Paladin and 1ke answered very well. Really do consider their posts and all their points.
 
The Church teaches that abortion, the deliberate killing of an unborn child, is always wrong.

In certain rare circumstances the situation of the unborn child poses a certainty of death for the mother, such as ectopic pregnancy. In this situation, a procedure that is performed on the mother with the intent of saving the mother’s life may have a secondary effect of killing the child. Such as procedure is permissible, provided the death of a child is strictly a secondary effect.

It is not permissible to perform any procedure designed to kill the child, even when there is a claim that the child has to be killed to save the mother’s life. There are virtually no situations in which such a thing is necessary anyway.

With regards to rape and incest, I know the situation is a difficult one, particularly for the mother of the new child. If we were dealing with anything other than a human person then the destruction of the product of an evil action could possibly be warranted. We are, however, dealing with a new human life that was **created **by and is **loved **by God, and is who wholly and completely good. How great is our God that he brings such goodness out of such evil!

So, while the woman is pregnant as the result of an evil act and she is now seriously imposed upon by this new life, I think it helps to remember that we are now dealing with a human life that can’t be killed just because he or she came into the world through undesirable means. The new child deserves and has a right to life, and ought to be a source of great joy to the woman, who will hopefully rejoice that God has brought such good and such beauty out of her suffering and denigration.

No, I do not think you are pro-choice, I just urge you to be completely and wholly pro-life, more so than you already are. I am glad you are asking honest questions and please always replace in your mind the word “abortion” with the words “deliberate killing of a human child.” That helps me in those tough scenarios.
I agreed with Ike’s post and I agreed with you until you got to the part I bolded in your last paragraph…
When the OP said this:
“I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance.” That part made them pro-choice NOT pro-life. Under no circumstances are we to do evil. Not even for a good result are we to do evil, so definately not to end a life.
 
How does the Catholic Church view abortion in cases of incest, rape, and mothers life in danger? I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance. Does that make me pro choice?
eliz,
Incest is a sin and so is killing a child in the womb.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
The person that commits such an act with someone should be sent to jail, for a looooong time!

iIt seems someone is always trying to justify the killing of a child in the womb. This story doesn’t apply either.
I know it’s easy to say this, but killing the child is compounding the tragedy.
If this has happened to anyone , they need all of the support they can get.
Lets pray about this.

jean8
 
Hi 1ke… I just wanted to point out that your response seemed to me a bit harsh. There is a place for strong words, but I didn’t think this was it… I thought the OP was honestly open to what we had to say and not just trying to ruffle feathers. I agree with your points completely but I don’t think we’ll change minds unless we are both unyieldingly firm and charitably compassionate.

I’m not trying to criticize and I don’t want to get in an argument about tone, I just wanted to point out my observations for future reference. And if I mis-read your tone, I do apologize.

Pax
 
I agreed with Ike’s post and I agreed with you until you got to the part I bolded in your last paragraph…
When the OP said this:
“I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance.” That part made them pro-choice NOT pro-life. Under no circumstances are we to do evil. Not even for a good result are we to do evil, so definately not to end a life.
Point taken… I actually edited in the part about being more pro-life. My intention was to label the OP as pro-life in hopes that the OP would identify further with us in the remaining aspects and then come further into the fold. I didn’t think it appropriate to just say… nope, you’re plain old pro-choice.

If you’re labeled as something and you accept that label, then that’s what you become. Granted, we don’t want any confusion about whether or not abortion in the case of rape, etc, is a pro-life stance. It isn’t.
 
How does the Catholic Church view abortion in cases of incest, rape, and mothers life in danger? I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance. Does that make me pro choice?
It makes you pro-choice for 1% of abortions currently done. Unfortunately the current law allows abortion on demand throughout nine months of pregnancy.
 
Thanks for all of your responses. They have been very helpful. I always used to believe w/out a doubt that abortion was wrong under any circumstances, but lately I have been thinking about women who are raped ( i have never been raped and I dont want to pretend like I know how they feel) and how I dont know if I have the right to say that they cant have an abortion. Same with incest.

However, the comments on how two wrongs dont make a right and how we are dealing with a human life really helped me. Even in cases of rape and incest it is not the babies fault. The baby is innocent and deserves life. Thanks everyone I guess I just needed more of a catholic perspective on this issue.
 
Thanks for all of your responses. They have been very helpful. I always used to believe w/out a doubt that abortion was wrong under any circumstances, but lately I have been thinking about women who are raped ( i have never been raped and I dont want to pretend like I know how they feel) and how I dont know if I have the right to say that they cant have an abortion. Same with incest.

However, the comments on how two wrongs dont make a right and how we are dealing with a human life really helped me. Even in cases of rape and incest it is not the babies fault. The baby is innocent and deserves life. Thanks everyone I guess I just needed more of a catholic perspective on this issue.
More than that - women often hope that by aborting a child conceived in such circumstances it will lead to better/greater psychological healing from the trauma of the incest or rape.

It is doubtful that this aim is ever achieved by abortion, if anything in a lot of cases it would simply add to the trauma.
 
How does the Catholic Church view abortion in cases of incest, rape, and mothers life in danger? I feel that women in these cases should have the option to abort even though I do not think abortion should be allowed under any other circumstance. Does that make me pro choice?
it makes you in opposition to Catholic teaching, which forbids, as does the 5th commandment, the direct deliberate murder of an innocent person, which the fetus is, no matter what the circumstances of conception.

by that logic, a mother would be equally justified in murdering her child immediately after live birth, or at one month, one year, or ten years if that child was conceived in incest or rape. You must accept this if you accept abortion in those circumstances. do you think that accords with morality?
 
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