Abortion, Embryoic Stem Cell Research, etc

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I believe these are some major issues the church has strong views on. Here are some inquiries.

Abortion:
From what I understand from the church, abortion is a sin, because it is considered murder (i.e. life begins at conception), but also because it is rejecting the oppotunity of having a child. Now, what would a good Catholic do under one of these situations:
  1. The mother may be in great danger if the embryo/foetus/baby is not aborted
  2. The child will most likely be deformed (disabled, connected-twins, short-lived, HIV, etc.)
  3. Should there be a law restricting abortion by the authority? After all, people are free to choose to be closer to God or not so. (Then again, would the law help people to be morally just?)
Embryoic Stem Cell Research:
The issue is pretty much similar to abortion I guess, that the way people treat bodies and souls are undignified. But:
4. According to the church, when is the body formed (from fusing), and when does that body gain soul?
5. Most of the time, researchers would only use leftover embryos to do the research, meaning no extra intercourse/ fertilisation. Does that make stem cell research any more legal?

Which brings me to the third thing…

In vitro fertilisation:
6. Is the church opposed to IVF because it is deliberately altering the nature of sex, or an advocate because it increases the chances of gaining a gift from God?
7. IVF creates many excess embryos. Do these embryos have souls (question 4), and is this a reason for the church to be against IVF?

Thanks in advance.
 
It doesn’t matter one iota when we human beings believe that a forming human being receives its ensoulment from God. As if we are the decision makers on that blessed event.

Nancy Pelosi attempt to justify abortion using a statement made by Augustine on ensoulment 1,500 years ago.

This is what Bishop Robert Vasa from the Diocese of Baker Oregon said in reply to Pelosi’s anti-Catholic belief system:

ewtn.com/library/bishops/vasapelosi.htm

Read about in vitro fertilization under the Cathechism’s Sixth Commandment - number 2373 to 2379.

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art6.shtml
 
1. The mother may be in great danger if the embryo/foetus/baby is not aborted

Medical treatments for high risk pregnancies have eliminated this as a legitamate reason for aborting a fetus.

2. The child will most likely be deformed (disabled, connected-twins, short-lived, HIV, etc.)

This mindset prejudges the santity of life and the worth of a person according to physical appearance, presupposed length of life, and mental ability.

3. Should there be a law restricting abortion by the authority? After all, people are free to choose to be closer to God or not so. (Then again, would the law help people to be morally just?)

Abortion laws gave license to kill an innocent human being. Killing an innocent human being because he or she is inconvenient to my way of life is both immoral and it is murder.
 
PLAT said:
I believe these are some major issues the church has strong views on. Here are some inquiries.

Abortion:
From what I understand from the church, abortion is a sin, because it is considered murder (i.e. life begins at conception), but also because it is rejecting the oppotunity of having a child. Now, what would a good Catholic do under one of these situations:
  1. The mother may be in great danger if the embryo/foetus/baby is not aborted
  2. The child will most likely be deformed (disabled, connected-twins, short-lived, HIV, etc.)
  3. Should there be a law restricting abortion by the authority? After all, people are free to choose to be closer to God or not so. (Then again, would the law help people to be morally just?)
Embryoic Stem Cell Research:
The issue is pretty much similar to abortion I guess, that the way people treat bodies and souls are undignified. But:
4. According to the church, when is the body formed (from fusing), and when does that body gain soul?
5. Most of the time, researchers would only use leftover embryos to do the research, meaning no extra intercourse/ fertilisation. Does that make stem cell research any more legal?

Which brings me to the third thing…

In vitro fertilisation:
6. Is the church opposed to IVF because it is deliberately altering the nature of sex, or an advocate because it increases the chances of gaining a gift from God?
7. IVF creates many excess embryos. Do these embryos have souls (question 4), and is this a reason for the church to be against IVF?

Thanks in advance.
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  1. Instances of this are extremely rare nowadays, and does not justify legalizing all abortions. And no, under Church teaching, this does not justify an abortion. It’s a hard stance to take, but that baby is another human life.
  2. Absolutely not. That is selective breeding. In brings to mind the ancient barbarians who would throw babies who were not in top physical condition into pits.
  3. Should there be laws against murder? Enough said.
  4. The moment of conception. Period. End of story.
  5. Embyonic research should not be allowed to survive through loopholes such as these. Outlaw the entire practice, says I.
  6. Because it changes the nature of sex.
  7. Yes.
 
Thanks.

Perhaps I should rephrase no. 4; My question is “What is conception”?

And about no.1, does that mean that as a catholic, the mother should be prepared to die for giving birth?
 
PLAT said:
Thanks.

Perhaps I should rephrase no. 4; My question is “What is conception”?

And about no.1, does that mean that as a catholic, the mother should be prepared to die for giving birth?
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Again, the odds are extremely low, and women nowadays usually know beforehand if there would be possible complications. Are you prepared going to your car to die, knowing that a drunk driver could be around the corner?
 
Archangelic said:
Again, the odds are extremely low, and women nowadays usually know beforehand if there would be possible complications. Are you prepared going to your car to die, knowing that a drunk driver could be around the corner?
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The problem is, a married couple is supposed to have sex and recieve children, right? Well then, how is knowing beforehand about the complications useful to a significant extent?
 
PLAT said:
My question is “What is conception”?
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When egg meets sperm.
PLAT said:
And about no.1, does that mean that as a catholic, the mother should be prepared to die for giving birth?
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A woman may be treated for a medical condition even if the **unintended **consequence is that her baby does not survive the treatment. Example: radiation/chemo for cancer; car wreck victim rushed into emergency surgery has miscarriage, etc.

Abortion is not a *treatment *of a medical condition. It is a direct attack on the child to kill it.
 
1ke said:
When egg meets sperm.

A woman may be treated for a medical condition even if the **unintended **consequence is that her baby does not survive the treatment. Example: radiation/chemo for cancer; car wreck victim rushed into emergency surgery has miscarriage, etc.

Abortion is not a *treatment *of a medical condition. It is a direct attack on the child to kill it.
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Thank you, but would you please try that again, given that you are talking to a 16 year old whose knowledge is perhaps limited 😃

Like … what treatments?
 
PLAT said:
Like … what treatments?
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Like the ones I gave above.

A pregnant woman can be treated for cancer, high blood pressure, a car accident, or *whatever *her condition might be.

If that treatment causes the child to die, or the woman to go into early labor and delivery a baby that cannot yet survive on its own, etc, it is *unintended *and not an abortion. It is morally permissable for the woman to seek legitimate medical treatment for her condition.

Purposely delivering the baby before it can live on its own or killing the baby in the womb are not legitimate medical treatments for any condition or disease. They are murder.

Remember, both the baby and the woman are patients. The doctor’s responsibilty is to do all he/she can to save BOTH patients.
 
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