Abortion "Myths"

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I was blogging with a friend who said that it was a myth that women suffer physical and/or emotional harm from abortions. How do I answer this person? The Elliot Institute Report says one thing; Guttmacher responds with a justification of abortion. It’s very confusing.
 
I was blogging with a friend who said that it was a myth that women suffer physical and/or emotional harm from abortions. How do I answer this person? The Elliot Institute Report says one thing; Guttmacher responds with a justification of abortion. It’s very confusing.
Why does it matter whether or not it’s true, though? Women who get abortions aren’t the victims of abortion. They’re the people we have that other word, “perpetrators,” for.
 
I was blogging with a friend who said that it was a myth that women suffer physical and/or emotional harm from abortions. How do I answer this person? The Elliot Institute Report says one thing; Guttmacher responds with a justification of abortion. It’s very confusing.
If your friend wll go to the Silent No More website,she will read testimonies from post abortive women and men who regret their decision to abort. This isn’t a myth.Abortion is counterintuitive to a woman’s nature to protect and nurture life. 😦
 
Why does it matter whether or not it’s true, though? Women who get abortions aren’t the victims of abortion. They’re the people we have that other word, “perpetrators,” for.
If the Catholic concept of charity doesn’t really suit us, at least we should trust what pro-life sites say about women who indeed are victims of abortion.
mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

To the OP: Some women suffer physical and/or emotional harm from abortions, some don’t. People are very different and react very differently. The fact that some women suffer doesn’t invalidate the fact that others don’t. The fact that some women don’t suffer doesn’t invalidate the fact that others do.
 
Why does it matter whether or not it’s true, though? Women who get abortions aren’t the victims of abortion. They’re the people we have that other word, “perpetrators,” for.
My Dear SW, Please study a bit and see the pain these poor women go through. Women (and men) suffer a lifetime from abortion. Post Abortion Syndrome is very real.

Many mothers feel they have no choice… so they make the horrible walk into the abortion clinic - never to be the same.

Many mothers are forced by the father to abort the child, often with the idea that he will leave her if she does not abort their baby. In most cases, the father and mother will not remain together after the abortion. Many grandparents of little aborted babies forced their daughter (the mother of their grandchild) to abort their own grandchild.

Abortion is a vicious evil in our world. Please know these mothers (and fathers) often grieve a lifetime. Mothers often turn to drugs and alcohol. They begin to live a life style of many sexual partners. They have problems bonding with any other children they may later have. They can not forgive themselves.

Love Them Both is a wonderful saying. (Love the mother and her baby, before and after the abortion.)

If we do not offer the abortion-minded mother love, we can not help her avoid the abortion. If we do not love the mother afterwards, we can not help her heal.

These mothers often feel God will never forgive them.

Peace.

Project Rachel :Hope after Abortion hopeafterabortion.com/

Catholic Forum Thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=720116&highlight=post+abortion+blog

Post Abortion Walk forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=720116&highlight=post+abortion+blog

Rachel’s Vineyard rachelsvineyard.org/

Silent No More silentnomoreawareness.org/

October Baby youtube.com/watch?v=I_9l7lEe-AA

Healing - October Baby pattimaguirearmstrong.com/2012/04/healing-through-october-baby.html

Surrendering the Secret surrenderingthesecret.com/

National Helpline for Abortion Recovery nationalhelpline.org/

Abby Johnson’s Book UnPlanned unplannedthebook.com/

Abby Johnson’s webpage abbyjohnson.org/
 
There has been kind of a rise in what’s called “Crying in the microphone.” The pro-abortionists did it in the 70’s when they would parade women in public crying about how a baby is destroying their lives. Today we see a lot of anti-abortion crying in the microphone. Why is one crying valid and another not? The answer is that while it is fine as public-relations propaganda, it is meaningless to the stone-cold fact that deliberately killing innocent humans is wrong.
 
I don’t doubt some women do feel intense pain and distress after getting an abortion, just as surely as some murderers in prison repent and feel grief when contemplating their crimes. That doesn’t make either of them a “victim” of their own crimes. They’re not victims, they’re just people with minimally well-formed consciences and functioning memories who are guilty of the heinous sin of murder. People don’t stop being moral agents just because they don’t possess a Y chromosome.
 
I don’t doubt some women do feel intense pain and distress after getting an abortion, just as surely as some murderers in prison repent and feel grief when contemplating their crimes. That doesn’t make either of them a “victim” of their own crimes. They’re not victims, they’re just people with minimally well-formed consciences and functioning memories who are guilty of the heinous sin of murder. People don’t stop being moral agents just because they don’t possess a Y chromosome.
Wow,pretty harsh… The big myth re abortion,is not that women regret their decision,but that abortion is their right…that it’s no big deal…If those who profit from the abortion industry,or shall I say,a woman’s right to choose,we’re intellectually honest they would counsel an abortion minded women intensively,giving all the facts,not just sugar coat the whole thing.Unless you know firsthand the effects of abortion,either through your own experience,orsomeone you know,I woouldn’t be so quick to judge…😦
 
I don’t doubt some women do feel intense pain and distress after getting an abortion, just as surely as some murderers in prison repent and feel grief when contemplating their crimes. That doesn’t make either of them a “victim” of their own crimes. They’re not victims, they’re just people with minimally well-formed consciences and functioning memories who are guilty of the heinous sin of murder. People don’t stop being moral agents just because they don’t possess a Y chromosome.
I agree with the previous poster, rather harsh. Many people have either been brought up or indoctrinated with the erroneous belief that their child is not in fact human or a rational, sentient being. Secondly, as was previously mentioned, sometimes, these women are coerced or forced to have these abortions against their will. Society at large tells these women what a burden it is to care for a child, and how abortion is a mere medical procedure. Abortion is one of the most atrocious evils, no doubt. But, it is our duty as Catholics to treat those who choose abortion with love and dignity as Christ would; this includes not referring to them as immoral “agents,” but rather distinguishing between the individual and the respective un-ethicality of their actions.
 
Social conditioning doesn’t absolve you of moral responsibility for your actions. Just ask the Canaanites.
 
I think I’ll start a new thread on this; meanwhile, OP, you got some good links to resources re: the effect abortion has on women.
 
I don’t doubt some women do feel intense pain and distress after getting an abortion, just as surely as some murderers in prison repent and feel grief when contemplating their crimes. That doesn’t make either of them a “victim” of their own crimes. They’re not victims, they’re just people with minimally well-formed consciences and functioning memories who are guilty of the heinous sin of murder. People don’t stop being moral agents just because they don’t possess a Y chromosome.
Men and women are both, often, victims of abortion.

Today’s society has told them “abortion is a right”. To fall into belief that it is true - a person is a victim of the false teaching of society.

Sometimes misguided friends, family, the baby’s father - think it will be best for the mother based on society’s false teaching that abortion is an answer. This misinformed person has become a “victim” of the false teaching of society. They really think they are helping the mother. The mother becomes a victim.

Religious groups (many Protestant denominations) tell their members it is a decision between the mother and God and support her destroying her child. The members of that denomination who believe abortion is okay - are victims of false teachings under the name of God and religion.

The scared, frightened, young mother who looks with frantic about how she will face her family, or finish school, or feed her child - is a victim of our society who tells her that aborting the baby will “cure” her problem. We need to be ever ready to assist mothers and fathers to let them know there are pregnancy centers who can help find the solutions - encouragement that she does not need to abort, that there is another choice - life.

The mother who is forced by the father or her parents to abort - is a victim of the power the person places over her. The incest victim becomes victimized again when forced to abort her child to cover up their crime against her of incest.

The mother who conceived her child through rape is told she should abort the “monster’s baby”. Many good and loving, pro-life people will fall for this false teaching. Mothers often need more counseling for the trauma they suffer from aborting their child than for the trauma they suffered from the rapist. They were over powered by and harmed by the rapist. Then the mother realizes she over powered her innocent child and harmed her baby through abortion. Those who accept that mothers of children conceived through rape should abort their children - are victims of our society’s false teaching.

The mother at the abortion clinic who is told this is not a baby, just a blob of tissue - is a victim of the abortion industry.

The mother who is told by her doctor that her baby will die and so will she - who aborts with sorrow in her heart because she was told she “had to abort” by someone she trusted - her doctor - is a victim.

The abortion clinic workers who truly think they are helping mothers - are victims of the evils of abortion and society’s false teaching.

The frightened mother wanting desperately to leave the abortion table, but who feels over powered by the coldness, cruelness of the abortionist - is a victim of the abortionist.

When a post-abortive woman hears someone speak about mothers who abort with harsh words -murderer, etc., they often will despise themselves even more. They fear others will find out their horrible secret. The pain they place upon themselves is far more than any words someone might call them. Abortion is evil and evil is happy to have as many victims as possible.

We all need to be ready to help post-abortive parents find help through programs such as Project Rachel, a confidential healing program which is offered in many dioceses or other programs and websites.

When a mother goes into the abortion clinic - one heart stops and the other heart breaks. Both are victims. I believe the sweet child from Heaven prays for the conversion of her mother’s and father’s hearts and for the healing of both parents.

May there be no more babies dying from abortion and no more mothers and fathers grieving for a lifetime from abortion.
 
I was blogging with a friend who said that it was a myth that women suffer physical and/or emotional harm from abortions. How do I answer this person? The Elliot Institute Report says one thing; Guttmacher responds with a justification of abortion. It’s very confusing.
First pray before responding.

Read about mothers who have suffered from Post Abortion Syndrome.

I listed many links in Post #5 of this thread.

Check out information on the Guttmacher Institute.
lifenews.com/2011/09/06/youve-been-guttmacherd-planned-parenthoods-baby/

Look at their own website and Alan Guttmacher’s connection with Planned Parenthood (the largest abortion mill in our country - targeting our poor mothers).Of course the Guttmacher Institute will justify abortion.

guttmacher.org/about/alan-bio.html

“While Alan F. Guttmacher was president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America and a leader in the International Planned Parenthood Federation in the 1960s and early 1970s, he saw the need for the institution that now bears his name, and he nurtured its development.”

Women suffer from physical damage as well.

afterabortion.org/1999/abortion-risks-a-list-of-major-physical-complications-related-to-abortion/

Our Lady of Guadalupe, Patroness of the Unborn ~ Pray for us.
 
Some people might be okay with abortion. I’ve read stories of people who had abortions and were okay with it. Having said that, they didn’t actually seem happy or pleased with their choice, but rather seemed to be reassuring themselves that it was the right thing to do, so clearly not everyone is emotionally or psychologically effected in a negative way. I’m not sure about physical damage, though. 🤷

I think the main issue is the fact that aborting a foetus is, essentially, the death of a human, regardless of how the woman bearing the child is effected.
 
Social conditioning doesn’t absolve you of moral responsibility for your actions. Just ask the Canaanites.
Take a moral theology class. There has always been a distinction between objective moral issues and culpability (which God gets to judge, not you). In the objective sense, you are correct that abortion is murder. The child is just as dead whether the woman is culpable for the crime of murder or not.

Look at it in this absurdly simplified example: Imagine you are walking down the street, noticed a strange box on the ground with wires leading out if it and picked it up. Boom! It was a bomb trigger. An explosion goes off in an adjacent building and kills 20 people. Objectively, your actions directly caused the deaths of 20 people, but you have ZERO culpability for that action.

On the other extreme, there is the man who develops an unjust hatred for his brother and plots his murder over a course of weeks to make sure he gets it just right. He’s 100% culpable.

Abortion can fall in a variety of places in between. There may well be women totally and wrongly convinced that it is nothing more profound than a tumor removal. The child is just as dead, but God get’s to decide culpability, not us. As for the Canaanites, we know they’re dead, but we don’t know they’re in hell, do we? God’s the judge of culpability. Abortion is always murder, but Jesus asked for forgiveness for his murderers. We can do the same, no?
 
Take a moral theology class. There has always been a distinction between objective moral issues and culpability (which God gets to judge, not you). In the objective sense, you are correct that abortion is murder. The child is just as dead whether the woman is culpable for the crime of murder or not.

Look at it in this absurdly simplified example: Imagine you are walking down the street, noticed a strange box on the ground with wires leading out if it and picked it up. Boom! It was a bomb trigger. An explosion goes off in an adjacent building and kills 20 people. Objectively, your actions directly caused the deaths of 20 people, but you have ZERO culpability for that action.

On the other extreme, there is the man who develops an unjust hatred for his brother and plots his murder over a course of weeks to make sure he gets it just right. He’s 100% culpable.

Abortion can fall in a variety of places in between. There may well be women totally and wrongly convinced that it is nothing more profound than a tumor removal. The child is just as dead, but God get’s to decide culpability, not us. As for the Canaanites, we know they’re dead, but we don’t know they’re in hell, do we? God’s the judge of culpability. Abortion is always murder, but Jesus asked for forgiveness for his murderers. We can do the same, no?
Such a measured response to a difficult issue (not abortion, the wrong of wrongs, but the culpability). Thanks for your words.🙂
 
It’s not really something that can be held as an absolute one way or the other. Yes, some women go through a hell of a guilt trip and need counselling after having an abortion. There are also those who really just couldn’t care less.

Usually the latter is of the club that denies the fetus its personhood. The former acknowledged it, but saw no other option.
 
My Dear SW, Please study a bit and see the pain these poor women go through. Women (and men) suffer a lifetime from abortion. Post Abortion Syndrome is very real.

Many mothers feel they have no choice… so they make the horrible walk into the abortion clinic - never to be the same.

Many mothers are forced by the father to abort the child, often with the idea that he will leave her if she does not abort their baby. In most cases, the father and mother will not remain together after the abortion. Many grandparents of little aborted babies forced their daughter (the mother of their grandchild) to abort their own grandchild.

Abortion is a vicious evil in our world. Please know these mothers (and fathers) often grieve a lifetime. Mothers often turn to drugs and alcohol. They begin to live a life style of many sexual partners. They have problems bonding with any other children they may later have. They can not forgive themselves.

Love Them Both is a wonderful saying. (Love the mother and her baby, before and after the abortion.)

If we do not offer the abortion-minded mother love, we can not help her avoid the abortion. If we do not love the mother afterwards, we can not help her heal.

These mothers often feel God will never forgive them.

Peace.

Project Rachel :Hope after Abortion hopeafterabortion.com/

Catholic Forum Thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=720116&highlight=post+abortion+blog

Post Abortion Walk forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=720116&highlight=post+abortion+blog

Rachel’s Vineyard rachelsvineyard.org/

Silent No More silentnomoreawareness.org/

October Baby youtube.com/watch?v=I_9l7lEe-AA

Healing - October Baby pattimaguirearmstrong.com/2012/04/healing-through-october-baby.html

Surrendering the Secret surrenderingthesecret.com/

National Helpline for Abortion Recovery nationalhelpline.org/

Abby Johnson’s Book UnPlanned unplannedthebook.com/

Abby Johnson’s webpage abbyjohnson.org/
Evil can only be fought with love, your post said it beautifully.
 
Some people might be okay with abortion. I’ve read stories of people who had abortions and were okay with it. Having said that, they didn’t actually seem happy or pleased with their choice, but rather seemed to be reassuring themselves that it was the right thing to do, so clearly not everyone is emotionally or psychologically effected in a negative way. I’m not sure about physical damage, though. 🤷

I think the main issue is the fact that aborting a foetus is, essentially, the death of a human, regardless of how the woman bearing the child is effected.
A child and mother both died during a late term abortion. It was in the news only because of the doctor carelessness. One of the many examples of physical damage.

I agree with you all children of abortion suffer untold pain and damage.
 
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