Abortion Pill and the Rise of DIY Abortions

[blackforest]

Please take some time to read this thoughtfully before you respond. As Abortion Restrictions Increase, Some Women Induce Their Own : NPR

Apparently pro-choicers are coaching women on how to do their own abortions with the abortion pill. It sounds as painful as all sin to me, especially after learning about Abby Johnson’s experience with it depicted in Unplanned. But it may be the pro-choicers’ “wave of the future.”

I see this prospect challenging both sides. Pro-choicers once and for all need to stop with the rusty-hanger gambit. That’s clearly not where things are heading, and even the ever-biased NPR acknowledges that fact.

On the other hand, as a pro-lifer, I think we need to stop thinking of anti-abortion legislation as the end-all-be-all Solution. Women who seek abortions are going to find loopholes and work-arounds, and it’s going be to a LOT harder to stop these pills from circulating on the black market - or CVS pharmacies (it’s an ulcer pill, after all) - than it is to do sidewalk counseling outside of Planned Parenthood.

Thinking within this context but outside of the box, what’s the best way to combat the horror of abortion when DIY abortions are getting easier to do?

 

[F_Marturana]

Thinking within this context but outside of the box, what’s the best way to combat the horror of abortion when DIY abortions are getting easier to do?

Brazil is an example. All abortion is illegal in Brazil, but there could be over a million clandestine abortions performed yearly.

What do we do to foster a culture of life? How do we convince a pregnant woman that choosing life is the right thing to do.

The overturning of Roe sends it to the states. Some states will make abortion illegal. Other states will make it very easy to obtain.

What is more important? That women chose life? Or that is illegal, but abortions continue in a clandestine basis?

I know abortion is always wrong . How do we end it?

Imagine that instead of overturning Roe, it is reconfirmed yet again? Do we still continue to hope for the correct mix in the Supreme Court?

Maybe we start a different way.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

You’re never going to reduce sin to absolute zero.

We have laws against murder and theft and rape and perjury. And yet, all this keeps happening.

However, when the laws are in place, it reduces the number of incidents, and places incentives not to do it. Also, it influences the way the populace feels about these issues.

But this doesn’t mean we can’t also provide social structures to support people so they don’t get desperate enough to do desperate things.

 

[Lea101]

I see this prospect challenging both sides. Pro-choicers once and for all need to stop with the rusty-hanger gambit

Very interesting point that unfortunately, they don’t seem to claim because it’s not convenient for them.

On the other hand, as a pro-lifer, I think we need to stop thinking of anti-abortion legislation as the end-all-be-all Solution

I agree. It’s about taking away the factors that make them want to abort anyway. I do think single mothers need to be helped more emotionally and financially. People tend to think that’s encouraging single motherhood over a nuclear family, but really it’s encouraging single motherhood over abortion.

 

[MamaJewel]

You’re never going to reduce sin to absolute zero.

This^^ is a very wise observation.

It’s about taking away the factors that make them want to abort anyway.

Word.
College students typically are a population that chooses abortion. Young women are sowing their oats and when their BC fails, or if they fail to use adequate protection, they often choose to abort. They have no intention to be saddled with an infant, student debt, and the inability to jump start a career because they are pregnant or a new mom. Added to that, some college -aged women might not know their partner to well or they know him well-enough that they don’t want to have a child by him and co-parent with him, so they choose to abort.

Other single moms might be facing discrimination in other areas of society, like work, education, housing, transportation, access to healthcare, access to child care, access to credit, etc. Or maybe they don’t want to co-parent with the father of the child, so they choose to abort.

Married women also abort for the same reasons that single women do. These women often have another child or might have wanted to be child-free with their partner.

Sadly, there is also a good percentage of women who believe they have no other choice but abortion. Too many women are forced to abort because of social stigma and pressure from partners, family, friends, mentors, and institutions. These are the women that pro-lifers need to reach first and foremost, because they want to carry their fetus to term. They should be given every opportunity to do so, even if that means the pro-lifers have to become their support system and lifeline.

To reach pregnant women, advertising is very important to let them know safe, life-affirming alternatives are available besides abortion.

Me personally, if money wasn’t an obstacle, every Medicaid baby born in my local community would get a Baby Box as a new baby gift. I would also gift these boxes to babies born to moms using the local pregnancy center, midwives, Healthy Start or Healthy Families programs. I would probably also give HIPPY program families a Baby Box for their new babies, if the family wanted one.

Maybe that’s where the pro-life community can get things started. Other European governments offer Baby Boxes and it significantly reduces infant deaths. Maybe pro-lifers should push for a program like this in the US.

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[Elf01]

What is more important? That women chose life? Or that is illegal, but abortions continue in a clandestine basis?

Both are important. If I have to choose though I’ll have the law acknowledge that unborn babies have the right to life.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

All of the talking points today about empowerment, individualism, 2nd wave feminism, etc…are all based in selfishness. I think there was a perfect storm of circumstances leading to all that selfishness over the last century, and it will take a movement selflessness to undo it.

I think the most effective means for a ‘selfless movement’ to take hold would be to teach the anthropological and evolutionary evidence that people are reliant on one another. The theological evidence has been around for centuries or millennia, but most people aren’t accepting it.

 

[blackforest]

That’s a valid insight. In days of yore, women got abortion more likely because of the stigma of pregnancy outside of marriage. Today it’s the culture of individualism, the lack of financial and community support. I’m a married mom and have found that motherhood in our culture is largely an isolated endeavor. I can’t imagine what single moms experience.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I’ve suggested this before and gotten tremendous push back: Provide for all pregnant women, rich and poor alike, pre-natal care and delivery services regardless of complications, at no cost to them. This reduces the financial worry and the medical worry. If you remove the motive to have an abortion, they won’t even think about DIY abortions or travelling to another state or country to get one. Let’s support life. (Also make it illegal. I’m in favor of that too. But I have no illusions about it being sufficient.)

 

[Theo520]

I’ve suggested this before and gotten tremendous push back:

The basics are covered, the working families have it through insurance.
The non-working single moms through medicaid

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

I’ve suggested this before and gotten tremendous push back:

The basics are covered, the working families have it through insurance.
The non-working single moms through medicaid

How about working moms without insurance? How about working families without insurance? How about insurance that does not cover 100% of the cost of a C-section? How about single moms who are too rich to qualify for medicaid, but too poor to not be worried about the cost of complications?

 

[Theo520]

How about working moms without insurance? How about working families without insurance? How about insurance that does not cover 100% of the cost of a C-section? How about single moms who are too rich to qualify for medicaid, but too poor to not be worried about the cost of complications?

Medicaid is based on both income and family size. There is even a special CHIPS program to cover children

But you knew that, why the constant game playing?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

How about working moms without insurance? How about working families without insurance? How about insurance that does not cover 100% of the cost of a C-section? How about single moms who are too rich to qualify for medicaid, but too poor to not be worried about the cost of complications?

Medicaid is based on both income and family size. There is even a special CHIPS program to cover children

Let me remind you of my objections:

• How about working moms without insurance?
• How about working families without insurance?
• How about insurance that does not cover 100% of the cost of a C-section?
• How about single moms who are too rich to qualify for medicaid, but too poor to not be worried about the cost of complications?

You haven’t addressed a single one of these. You attempted to address #4, but you didn’t. A single mom might have no other children. In fact that is most likely kind of person to seek an abortion. So family size won’t save you.