Abortion sickens me

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Abortion sickens me, and I am even a secular.

I keep hearing about this “Right to choose!”, but I never hear about the developing human’s choice.

Its making me a misanthrope in our society with the understanding that people can dispose others because of their own poor decision making.

People need to be responcible for their actions in this great country of ours.

Have a weight gain problem? Don’t eat fast food.
Don’t want to have a kid? Take the precautions.

Abortion ultimately removes someone from the chance to indulge in the beautiful world we live in… And I do not agree with it at all.

I can state all these things and remain secular.
It is a shocker to many, but I would like to see more secular anti-abortionists take the cause.

Abortion is a social injustice and illogical by our society’s values.
 
I agree with the title of this post wholeheartedly!

My only concern is that you say people should “take precautions” in order to not have children. I assume by this you mean both abstinence and various forms of artificial birth control. I’m “on board” with promoting abstinence. People need to understand that having sex can lead to having a baby. The two are intimately connected. No form of birth control is 100% effective.

That is why it is harmful to push people into artificial birth control as a “precaution” against pregnancy. It allows them to separate making love from creating a new human person! Once that division is there, justifying an abortion of a “product of conception” is much, much easier.

God bless.
 
Me too, it sickens me!

Wow, you’re very different from the apathy the posts on phatmass.com, any relation?

After reading your post I admit you are one of the few atheist to whom I have respect. Thank you for the comments.
 
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Crow:
Me too, it sickens me!

Wow, you’re very different from the apathy the posts on phatmass.com, any relation?

After reading your post I admit you are one of the few atheist to whom I have respect. Thank you for the comments.
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This is the only board I have the name Apathy on… It reflects my concern of organized religion/ideologies.

In regards to precautions I mean it is up to the individual to decide.
If the individual chooses a means of prevention they must read the instructions and risks accordingly.

Abstinence works just as well… With a 100%.
 
Me too, and the phrase “pro-choice” sickens me also. I got into an argument with my (liberal, atheist) dad the other day about it - he insisted that he was not “pro-abortion” because he supported “a woman’s right to choose between abortion, adoption and keeping the baby”. I tried to make the point that absolutely no one in this country (except maybe some extremist nut on the web) is saying that women should be forced to have abortions, and that pretty much everyone approves of adoption and keeping the baby, so abortion is the only choice he can say he is defending. He cannot say he is defending the rights of women to choose *not *to abort, since this right is not threatened in this country (yet), and the pro-lifers he is opposing would defend it even more passionately than he would. Abortion is the choice the “pro-choice” crowd is defending, and the fact that they need to use a term which obscures this ought to bother them.
 
If it was lets say a tumor in a woman’s abdomen it would be her right to choose.

Since we are talking about a life and not a tumor… It’s different.

I can’t see how people do not logically follow.

I love getting into heated arguements on the internet about abortion…
I always get the girl that says it is better for the woman to decide and is probably best for the kid too… I always respond with this picture…

unpopart.org/artworks/different2.html

Do not click it if you are sensitive to images of Hitler.
 
I have read that there ARE some secular people who are opposed to abortion for social justice and human rights reasons-
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who was a founder or NARAL, became pro-life while still an athiest because after himself performing abortions he came to realize that these were human beings np different from you and I. His video “the Silent Scream” was done while he was still an athiest. (He eventually did convert to Roman Catholicism)
Nat Hentoff, editor of the Village Voice, is also an athiest who is against both abortion and euthanasia.
A good book which outlines many non-religeous arguments against abortion is Pro Life Answers to Pro choice arguments by Randy Alcorn.
 
As my agnostic DH says, “A woman DOES have a right to choose. She has the right to choose to not participate in the act which can create a life.”
I love this and use it with every person who shoves that “right to choose” **** at me.
 
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Apathy:
but I would like to see more secular anti-abortionists take the cause.
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Before I converted to Catholicism, I was an athiest, and was still very strongly opposed to abortion.
 
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Apathy:
Abortion sickens me, and I am even a secular.

I keep hearing about this “Right to choose!”, but I never hear about the developing human’s choice.

Its making me a misanthrope in our society with the understanding that people can dispose others because of their own poor decision making.

People need to be responcible for their actions in this great country of ours.

Have a weight gain problem? Don’t eat fast food.
Don’t want to have a kid? Take the precautions.

Abortion ultimately removes someone from the chance to indulge in the beautiful world we live in… And I do not agree with it at all.

I can state all these things and remain secular.
It is a shocker to many, but I would like to see more secular anti-abortionists take the cause.

Abortion is a social injustice and illogical by our society’s values.
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Hello Apathy!
Abortion sickens me too and I appreciate your comments.
I´m just confused on something though that hopefully you will clarify for me.
You say you are secular, but when I see your profile it says
Religion: Evangelical
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Vanny:
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who was a founder or NARAL, became pro-life while still an athiest because after himself performing abortions he came to realize that these were human beings np different from you and I. His video “the Silent Scream” was done while he was still an athiest. (He eventually did convert to Roman Catholicism)
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Wow, I didn’t know that. That’s pretty interesting. Thanks for the info. 👍
 
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Me too, and the phrase “pro-choice” sickens me also. I got into an argument with my (liberal, atheist) dad the other day about it - he insisted that he was not “pro-abortion” because he supported “a woman’s right to choose between abortion, adoption and keeping the baby”. I tried to make the point that absolutely no one in this country (except maybe some extremist nut on the web) is saying that women should be forced to have abortions, and that pretty much everyone approves of adoption and keeping the baby, so abortion is the only choice he can say he is defending. He cannot say he is defending the rights of women to choose *not *to abort, since this right is not threatened in this country (yet), and the pro-lifers he is opposing would defend it even more passionately than he would. Abortion is the choice the “pro-choice” crowd is defending, and the fact that they need to use a term which obscures this ought to bother them.
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I would stick to the word “Pro-Abortion” if I were you. This is the only word which descibes the pro-abort position.

“Pro-Choice” is a word which is highjacked by the pro-aborts. It has no meaning and does not even finish the sentence. For example, when someone says they are “Pro-Choice” what am I to believe? Does this mean they are “Pro-Choice” on what condiments they want on their sub sandwich? Does this mean they are “Pro-Choice” on the issue of school vouchers? Does this mean they are “Pro-Choice” on picking out what they want to wear on Saturday? As you can see the word alone - “Pro-Choice” has no meaning at all. It’s just been highjacked by the Pro-Aborts.

What I also find interesting by Pro-Aborts using the word “Pro-Choice” is most of them are “Anti-Choice” when it comes to parental notification before the abortion takes place, they are “Anti-Choice” about making Abortuaries/Abortionists give ALL information to women before having abortion and they are “Anti-Choice” about teaching abstinence education in our schools.

And yet the Mainstream Media likes to label Pro-Lifers as “Anti-Choice” and “Anti-Abortion”. If thats what they want to call us, fine but let’s make it clearer for them – we are ANTI-SATANIC CHOICE and we call ourselves PRO-LIFE!
 
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Vanny:
I have read that there ARE some secular people who are opposed to abortion for social justice and human rights reasons-
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who was a founder or NARAL, became pro-life while still an athiest because after himself performing abortions he came to realize that these were human beings np different from you and I. His video “the Silent Scream” was done while he was still an athiest. (He eventually did convert to Roman Catholicism)
Nat Hentoff, editor of the Village Voice, is also an athiest who is against both abortion and euthanasia.
A good book which outlines many non-religeous arguments against abortion is Pro Life Answers to Pro choice arguments by Randy Alcorn.
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Dr. Bernard Nathanson also wrote a book called “The Hand of God” in which he tells his story. He made thousands of abortions (including of his own son) before converting to Catholicism as you pointed out.
It is a great book, although some parts are really hard to read. Unfortunately it is reality though.
 
Yes, I read that book- and I was going to recommend it to JMJ Pinoy. It is a great book, and shows how no one is beyond the love of God .
 
For more information on abortion (than most people will ever want to know) go to the website I am developing on Suicide, Abortion & Euthanasia. It is designed so that people can get the facts, without the rhetoric that puts many people off, using fact, logic and reason.

A pro-life doctor friend says he prints out articles off it to hand to people.

What sickens me even more than abortion (& I had to write the Methods of abortion pages) is the apathy most people/Christians show. They have become so desensitised they are no longer horrified.

life.org.nz/abortion.htm

The website is 800-1000 pages but there is a sitemap to make it a bit easier to navigate. I haven’t finished the Euthanasia section yet.
 
Hey Eileen T, that site is great! Didn’t get that much time to read it but I’ll be back later. I will definitely post a link to it when I get round to working on my own pro-life page (for a small group of students at Uni of New South Wales, Australia).

Yep I agree with an idea thats being talked about a lot in here - people who call themselves ‘pro-choice’ are only committed to one choice - abortion.
Also interesting to note is how the pro-abortionists say they care about women more than we do - and yet it is us pro-lifers who run all the crisis pregnancy centres.
 
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