Abortion vs. Deportation

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Is the deportation of illegal immigrants ever equally immoral as abortion?
 
Wannabe_Monk_16 said:
Is the deportation of illegal immigrants ever equally immoral as abortion?
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I’d have to say no, but do you REALLY think it’s realistic to deport millions of illegal immigrants? Think about the cost in taxes alone. By the way, I am pretty sure that this post would have made more sense if it was something along the lines of “is abortion more moral than the death penalty”, the answer is no, but still.
 
No. The deportation of illegal immigrants isn’t even immoral. Even if it was, abortion would be a far greater evil.
 
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No. There are many circumstances where deporting illegal immigrants is the right choice and the only moral one. There is no circumstance where abortion is the right or moral choice.
 
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No. The deportation of illegal immigrants isn’t even immoral. Even if it was, abortion would be a far greater evil.
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Yes. If you break the law, it’s immoral anyhow (unless if it’s an unjust law, and this one isn’t), so being deported is just a punishment and a correction. Abortion is wrong, obviously, and they can’t be truly compared.

It’s like saying that stomping on a gummy bear is just as immoral as murder. That’s a bad analogy, sure, but the two cannot be compared.
 
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They are not even closely related.

Deporting illegal immigrants is not immoral at all while abortion is always gravely immoral. Deportation might not always be charitable, but that does not make it immoral. It’s not comparing apples and oranges, but rather apples and hand grenades.
 
No. Deportation is sending someone back to their own country.

Abortion is taking the life of an unborn child who has no say for himself or herself. That is a far greater evil.
 
For the record, I agree with all these responses! I recently had someone claim that deportation and abortion are equally immoral, and just wanted to get some responses from the CAF community. Thank and God bless!
 
Wannabe_Monk_16 said:
For the record, I agree with all these responses! I recently had someone claim that deportation and abortion are equally immoral, and just wanted to get some responses from the CAF community. Thank and God bless!
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Well it’s good that they atleast recognize that abortion is immoral. Many that hold deportation as a grave evil also belive abortion as a moral good or at worst morally neutral. This person is confused rather than living in backwards land were evil is good and moral is immoral. 🤷
 
(A) It’s not immoral.
(B) Deportation and abortion are two vastly different issues.
 
No, because Abortion results in the death of an innocent person.

I’d say deportation is only as immoral as abortion in instances when you know with 100% certianty that the undocumented person will be killed upon return (such as China returning North Korean refugees back to North Korea to be executed).
 
Corki said:
No. There are many circumstances where deporting illegal immigrants is the right choice and the only moral one. There is no circumstance where abortion is the right or moral choice.
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Even if the deportation was improper, it is still less permanent, with no appeal possible for the abortion.

There are many times when failing to deport someone is immoral. Our local poster boy for that is Simon Rios. He was an illegal immigrant, a violent felon, and a repeat criminal who murdered five people, four of them children, after getting more chances than anyone deserves. The oldest of the children he murdered was only ten, and he kidnapped and raped her before strangling her to death. If anyone wants to argue for the right of Simon Rios to live wherever he pleased, go ahead. I will argue for the right to life of the woman and four children he murdered after we knew he was not interested in living here in peace.

Mr Rios killed himself inside prison after serving less than 13 months of five life terms to be served consecutively plus 100 years. That was the most he could get after two separate plea bargains to avoid the death penalty.
 
Usige said:
Well it’s good that they at least recognize that abortion is immoral. Many that hold deportation as a grave evil also believe abortion as a moral good or at worst morally neutral. This person is confused rather than living in backwards land were evil is good and moral is immoral.
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It does seem obvious to us that abortion and deportation are not comparable in any way, which makes it all the worse when a bishop come out and asserts they are “not unlike” one another. This sort of thing is really depressing. I am just so tired of the bishops’ involvement in political issues.

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Wannabe_Monk_16 said:
Is the deportation of illegal immigrants ever equally immoral as abortion?
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What is remotely immoral about deporting illegal economic migrants?
  • Our elected Govt is responsible to our legal citizens as a priority, not the citizens of other countries.
  • While we should be a good neighbour to other countries, we are not responsible for the care of their citizens
  • We are not responsible to enable them with economic success at the harm of our lower class citizens.
We can help other governments take care of their citizens, but we shouldn’t do it for them.
 
Ender said:
It does seem obvious to us that abortion and deportation are not comparable in any way, which makes it all the worse when a bishop come out and asserts they are “not unlike” one another. This sort of thing is really depressing. I am just so tired of the bishops’ involvement in political issues.

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When I was debating the person I mentioned earlier, this person cited this article in defending their claim that abortion and deportation are equally immoral.
How would you respond to one of our Shepherds almost trying to equate the two…?
 
Wannabe_Monk_16 said:
When I was debating the person I mentioned earlier, this person cited this article in defending their claim that abortion and deportation are equally immoral.
How would you respond to one of our Shepherds almost trying to equate the two…?
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The arguments are the same regardless of whether the assertion is made by a stranger or by a bishop, it’s just harder to rebut when a bishop says it because of the mistaken assumption that a bishop is automatically right.

Bishop Flores’ statement is quite damaging, which is often the case when the clergy involve themselves in political issues. This case seems more egregious than most, however, because it neutralizes the moral distinction between the two major political parties. Support for abortion has always presented liberals, at least Catholic ones, with a dilemma, but that dilemma is removed if one accepts that deportation is an equally great moral evil.

The fact that deportation, which is nothing more than holding a person accountable for his actions, is said to be an evil on par with assisting someone to receive an abortion simply shows that bishops are not immune from ill thought out political activism. There may well be cases where deportation of someone who has been here for decades would be wrong, but to assert that “deportation”, which would include even those who have committed crimes here, is somehow a great evil is simply preposterous.

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