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Wesley7
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Yes, actually I did speak with the orthodox priest.
I’m not going to “leave” Holy Orthodoxy ~ though I still have the option to attend Catholic Mass.
For that matter, I also study the Western sphere of Christianity.
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I’m not going to “leave” Holy Orthodoxy ~ though I still have the option to attend Catholic Mass.
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5Loaves
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Since you have spoken with your Orthodox priest did he assure you that if you choose to be receved into the Catholic Church he would consider you still an Orthodox Christian? That seems so unlikely.
“Studying” and seeking full communion are not the same things. Anyone can attend Catholic Mass. Receiving the Holy Mysteries is a separate matter in the Catholic Churches and or in Orthodox Churches.
I’ve tried to understand what you are asking in this thread. At this point I’m not able to understand from what you say here what you are seeking at this time in your life as a faithful Christian.
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Wesley7
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Being confirmed a Orthodox Christian I probably do not need RCIA
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5Loaves
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I am clueless what you intended in starting this thread.
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TrueLight
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Me too.I am clueless what you intended in starting this thread.
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AntalKalnoky
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You are Mistaken if you think Orthodox and Latin are two totally different Religions. Our Orthodox brothers are Very close to historic Full Communion with the Vatican as our Eastern/Byzantine 22 Churches are. I attended the Full Briefing on the last Ravenna Conference; only relativelly minor details need be resolved. The Briefing was By the Principal Negotiators, done at Catholic University about 38 months ago. Wesley7 would not be “Leaving” the magnifent Orthodox Church, as he says. You are quite correct in referring him to a priest about learning, qualifying as Eastern/Byzantine Orthox Catholic, for full Communion.; Roman and Eastern Liturgies of Communion must be observed in their diffrenrt ways.So some time in the past you were received into Holy Orthodoxy by Chrismation in a Church of the Antiochian Archdiocese.
Is that correct?
And now you are considering leaving Orthodoxy and coming into full communion with the Catholic Church.
Is that correct?
If both of those are true and you want to come into full communion with the Catholic Church then you would approach a Catholic parish priest with your request. You would come into full communion with the Catholic Church by the Holy Mysteries of Penance and Holy Communion. That can happen in a Latin Church or an Eastern or Oriental Catholic Church. Wherever it happens it would be noted in the parish record that you are coming in as an Eastern Catholic. You would not be a member of the Latin Church although you can freely worship in any Catholic Church and receive the Holy Mysteries other than marriage and holy orders in any Eastern or Oriental Catholic Church or Latin Church with no special permissions.
Then you would be a member of the Catholic Church. You would no longer be an Orthodox Christian and you would no longer be able to receive the Holy Mysteries of an Orthodox Church, with some exceptions which you will see posted by folks like Alexander Roman, ciero, Aramis and others in the EC Section.
What is it that causes you to want to leave Holy Orthodoxy and come into the Catholic Church? Have you discussed this with your priest?
I’m not sure why you have posted this thread here in the Traditional Catholicism Section. It seems like it belongs in the EC Section.
We each have the 7 Saxcraments of Our Lord. We are each developmental, historic Branches of the One, True Catholic Church Our Lord began. Our Orthodox Brotherrs years ago signed agrerement that they recognize the Bishop of Rome as the Primary Bishop among Bishops.
- To Participate in Holy Communion with our Eastern/Byzantine brothers, who Are part of the Catholic Church, we Must each observe the Other’s Form of Communion.
Code:As Blessed Pope John Paul II The Great also so brilliantly said: Orthodox and Roman are the two Lungs of The Church of Christ. :byzsoc::signofcross: The Principal Negotiator For Orthodox was the very engaging, brilliant Metropiltan who is Chair of Theology at Oxford University; Brilliant and humerous also.
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AntalKalnoky
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Local converts To Catholic upon completing RCIA Love it; Some say Easter Vigil Becoming full Catholic was the Best day of their life. Our Parishioner in charge of RCIA publicity was so impressed by the RCIA he took to Revert to Knowledgeable Cathiolic, he volunteered to head it!. And he recently Married a protestant Mom with 2 children who took RCIA to Become Catholic!. They are Very happy family.
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AntalKalnoky
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He doesn’t need to ‘convert’; he is an Eastern Rite Catholic, a member of The Church. He is interested in learning the way Roman Rite attitudes and Liturgy; great idea.
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SouthpawLink
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Eastern Catholic =/= Eastern Orthodox. Moreover, the Eastern Orthodox Church is not another “lung” of the Church of Christ. The Catholic Church alone is the true Church of Christ (which includes all rites in communion with the Holy See). The Eastern Orthodox differ from us in faith and government (i.e. the primacy of Rome) and so are in no way united to us; what’s more, their apostolic succession is only “material” (an illegitimate continuity, because they’re separated from the See of Peter), whereas the Catholic Church alone has “formal” apostolic succession (cf. Parente, Dictionary of Dogmatic Theology, p. 18.). They have different beliefs regarding original sin (and so also the Immaculate Conception), purgatory, divorce and contraception.Wesley, just noticed you ARE ESTERN Catholic. You Are Catholic, eastern rite. You need nothing, except maybe attend the Classes on the Roman Topics you want to learn about. Eastern Orthodox and Roman have the same beliefs, but different very old Cultures and Liturgies. Eastern Catholic, aka Byzantione, are in Full Communion with the Vatican. But we must each Respect, abide byb the other’s Cultures. We don’t do Roman practises at Easten Divine Liturgy, no Eastern practices at Roman Mass.
:byzsoc:Code:[SIGN] Sorry we misunderstood, Eastern brother in Christ. Nothing required by you, nor any certificate. We are the two Lungs of the Same Church, Great enthusiasm you have to learn some details of Roman practise; Best to just take a few classes to learn the Roman rites. Peace![/SIGN]
God bless!
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The_Idiot
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Wesley7 is NOT an Eastern Catholic - he is an Orthodox Christian who is interested in learning about other religions
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5Loaves
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I’m assuming you mean “Mistaken if you think Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church are two totally different Religions”.
Both are Christian. You are mistaken in thinking I said anything different than that anywhere in my post.
Wesley7 told us he was Chrismated in (received into) the Antiochian Orthodox Church. One cannot be both a member of an Eastern Catholic Church and an Orthodox Church at the same time.
I appreciate your enthusiasm.
Even though there are indeed closer relations between heirarchs of Orthodox Churches, there is no single Orthodox Church, and HH Benedict XVI, Pope of Rome, we are most definitely not “Very close to historic Full Communion”. As a Russian Greek Catholic who spends a lot of time worshiping in Russian Orthodox Churches I’d love it if reunion were to come in my lifetime!. I don’t know who these “Principal Negotiators” were but I doubt they think “only relatively minor details need be resolved.” unless for some reason you think something like the role of the Pope of Rome is a relatively minor detail…
If you haven’t already listened to the podcasts of Plenary sessions of this year’s Orientale Lumen Conference “Rome and the Communion of Churches: Bishop, Patriarch or Pope?” they are all well worth hearing, more than once.
Delegates from the Moscow patriarchate walked out on that Commission held in Ravenna. The Russian Orthodox Church under the Moscow patriarchate is the largest single Orthodox Church,
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Wesley7
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mm , if i cant get a waiver from a priest then that is no problem.
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