According to Trent, how was Abraham baptized?

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SonCatcher said:
It did. However, Abraham’s justification predated this transition for him because the Gospel had not yet been brought to him.
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Well if this transition has been defined as justification, was Abraham justified?
 
SonCatcher said:
Trent did qualify the statement. For those whom are subject to the qualification, it is binding. The rest are outside the qualification so the definition does not apply.
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So Trent did not define what justification meant for old testament saints.
 
God_Seeker said:
Well if this transition has been defined as justification, was Abraham justified?
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Abraham was justified in his lifetime, as stated by Sts. Paul and James. He was not subject to the definition of justification offered at Trent. When Abraham died, he went to a place of comfort (later called the “bosom of Abraham” or “Sheol”) to await the Promised One.

Abraham’s translation occurred when Christ entered the abode of the dead to bring out the faithful dead who preceded Him.
 
So when Paul used the word ‘‘justified’’ with a different definition for Abraham than for us?
 
God_Seeker said:
So when Paul used the word ‘‘justified’’ with a different definition for Abraham than for us?
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Ultimately, it’s the same “thing”. Just the means of entering into justification are different.
 
But Paul says Abraham’s justification is parallel to ours…
 
The word “parallel” is wrong. Paul says that the imputation of faith as righteousness is just the same as it was for Abraham as it is for us (Rom 4:22-25). In other words, we are justified just like Abraham. So if the Trent says we are justified by the co-crucifixion and co-resurrection of Christ and the inner man being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, it would seem as though they are saying this would have happened to Abraham , when he was justified in Genesis 15.
 
God_Seeker said:
The word “parallel” is wrong. Paul says that the imputation of faith as righteousness is just the same as it was for Abraham as it is for us (Rom 4:22-25). In other words, we are justified just like Abraham. So if the Trent says we are justified by the co-crucifixion and co-resurrection of Christ and the inner man being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, it would seem as though they are saying this would have happened to Abraham , when he was justified in Genesis 15.
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I read through your Romans 4 citation a number of time and the only “same as” that I see is faith. Because of his faith, “it was credited to him as righteousness” (NAB 4:22). Likewise “it was also for us, to whom it will be credited, who believe in the one who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,25 who was handed over for our transgressions and was raised for our justification.” (Romans (NAB) 4)
 
So are you saying that Abraham’s faith being reckoned for righteousness is not the paradigm for our faith being reckoned for righteousness, and thus justification?
 
God_Seeker said:
The word “parallel” is wrong. Paul says that the imputation of faith as righteousness is just the same as it was for Abraham as it is for us (Rom 4:22-25). In other words, we are justified just like Abraham. So if the Trent says we are justified by the co-crucifixion and co-resurrection of Christ and the inner man being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, it would seem as though they are saying this would have happened to Abraham , when he was justified in Genesis 15.
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I still don’t understand. Why would you say he wasn’t? His faith was in the mercy of God. And his willingness to walk with Him. How does that differ from Trent? Abraham wasn’t sanctified?

Abraham didn’t explicitly know of Christ, but he trusted in God’s mercy, not knowing how it was possible for absolute goodness to accept sinful man.

peace
steve
 
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So are you saying that Abraham’s faith being reckoned for righteousness is not the paradigm for our faith being reckoned for righteousness, and thus justification?
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If you mean that Abraham received without baptism what we receive through baptism, yes.
 
But we are justified through our participation in the new creation, was Abraham somehow in the new creation? In the Spirit?
 
God_Seeker said:
But we are justified through our participation in the new creation, was Abraham somehow in the new creation? In the Spirit?
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Abraham was involved in the new creation yes. In fact he was the father of Israel, which gave birth to the Messiah.

peace
steve
 
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