2, 4, 6, & 8 are wrong as far as Catholics and most other Christians, Jews, and Muslims are concerned. Try again.
Ok, lets start from (2). I am badly amused with your position.
Is God timeless?This is actually pretty close to what some theologians speculate. Since God is outside of time, terms like before and after don’t have any meaning, at least not in the same way we understand the terms. That’s not to say that creation happened simultaneous with God because God has no beginning and creation obviously does. It’s also not to say that God and creation are the same thing. They aren’t. It literally boggles the mind to conceive of a time before creation when God was all that existed. It’s something I pondered on often as a child.
Good.
Let’s proceed.
That is illogic part: How creation could have a beginning and be attached to act of creation which is eternal?
Ok, lets stick with the fact that God knows everything. I think we can agree with the fact that there is one foreknowledge and one future. This is what universe has to get through, in another word act creation. What God knows as foreknowledge is what we are going to do since it is related to act creation. In the simple word the book is written and we are only free because we cannot see future. Could we change the content of the book? No.
Yes.Ok, lets start from (2). I am badly amused with your position.
Yes.
Since I answered yes, God is not bound by time. ( We are the ones bound by time, even a physicist knows that
)Are you free to escape your fate(what is written in the book so called God’s foreknowledge)?Yes.
Yes.
Since I answered yes, God is not bound by time. ( We are the ones bound by time, even a physicist knows that
What next?
Linus2nd
Creation is outside of God. God sustains creation but he is not what he created. You might use the analogy of a mother and her unborn child. The child is inside the mother and is constantly sustained by her, but is still a separate entity from her.
Just because God knows what we do in the future doesn’t mean he causes us to do them, any more than my knowing your actions yesterday means that I somehow caused your actions. Philosopher William Lane Craig explains it well:
From Theo-sophical Ruminations
I didn’t say that God’s knowledge force us to do certain things but if fixes our fates. My question was whether we can escape our fates and have different destiny. Lets think of two persons who the first goes to heaven and the second goes to hell as the result of their actions. Now replace two person with each other and you get the second person goes to heaven and the first goes to hell. This is what I mean with fate. Can we choose our fates? No. Can we change it? No.
Of course we can. We don’t act because God knows we will act, we act and therefore God knows. We have free will in how we act and that informs God’s knowledge.
I know all these things. I would like to bring your attention to the following argument: Lets think of two persons who the first goes to heaven and the second goes to hell as the result of their actions. Now replace two person with each other and you get the second person goes to heaven and the first goes to hell. This is what I mean with fate. Can we choose our fates? No. Can we change it? No.
You already posted that argument and I responded.
You didn’t get the argument.
Then that God is not omniscient. Since the Christian God is an eternal being He knows all before it occurs. He does not have to wait for any actions by humans to obtain that knowledge.
newadvent.org/cathen/06612a.htm#IIB From the Catholic Encyclopedia.
God doesn’t have to wait for us to act since he is in all time, including the time when we have already acted.
And He knew it long before we acted in human terms.
Why do you use the word before in describing God’s knowledge?
Because he has perfect foreknowledge from all eternity. So, he knew before he ever decided to create us.
There is still a time element in human terms. My parents were created before me, etc.
And the time before he created us.