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MGEISING
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“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.”
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thessalonian
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MGEISING said:
Can’t proof text. The belief assumes action that follows the belief. “Not everyone who says “LORD” “LORD” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER”. It’s not just about belief.
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But_for_Grace
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i can see how some people might take it that way if they take it out of context. Just like v 33 could be used to support infant baptism. this verse is nonsense outside of its context, start around v 22, and follow the story of Paul. The jailer’s story is more than just a conversion, it contains much more than that. To use it to justify assurance of salvation is much like saying that we are exempt from the jewish law, but still must tithe (which is part of the jewish law) it is contradictory.
also, the greek word for saved is σώζω [sōzō - sode’-zo From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.]
therefore, by confessing and being baptized the jailer came under God’s grace and was protected from harm, not saved from damnation.
also, the greek word for saved is σώζω [sōzō - sode’-zo From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.]
therefore, by confessing and being baptized the jailer came under God’s grace and was protected from harm, not saved from damnation.
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John_Henry
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MGEISING said:
But when the Apostle says that man is justified by faith and freely, these words are to be understood in that sense in which the uninterrupted unanimity of the Catholic Church has held and expressed them, namely, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the fellowship of His sons; and we are therefore said to be justified gratuitously, because none of those things that precede justification, whether faith or works, merit the grace of justification. (Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 8)
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MGEISING
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I agree. I know this - you know this - but how can a church teach this to their believers … and they inturn go and tell people … say the sinner’s prayer, have a personal relationship with Jesus and you will have eternal salvation.
And then turn around to unbelievers and treat them less respectfully.
It is mind boggling.
And then turn around to unbelievers and treat them less respectfully.
It is mind boggling.
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piety101
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This statement is absolutely true in Acts 16:31. But this is not the only statement that our Lord spoke of concerning being saved or obtaining salvation. Our Lord also said “He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved”.Mark 16:16 Our Lord said that one needs to be “born again” of WATER and the Spirit or he CANNOT enter the Kingdom of God. John 3:3-5. Peter instructed the Jews on the day of Pentecost to repent and be baptized FOR the remission of sins. The author of Hebrews wrote that God is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY HIM.Heb 5:9
So we see obtaining salvation is not simply taking one isolated text from scripture and claiming that is all God requires for you to be forgiven and to obtain eternal life. This is the shortcoming of Protestant evangelism. They do not cite ALL THE SCRIPTURES Christ and the apostles spoke of concerning salvation. They just pull out isolated verses to suit their fancy.
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MGEISING
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How many souls will be lost because of this~
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pangit
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hi, im new, simple catholic, just share my ideas
If we believe in Jesus is to accept the Whole Jesus and Not only part of him, The Church is his Body Col 1:18, To Accept Jesus is to Accept his Church the Pillar and Foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:16
If we believe in Jesus is to accept the Whole Jesus and Not only part of him, The Church is his Body Col 1:18, To Accept Jesus is to Accept his Church the Pillar and Foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:16
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sonseeker
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MGEISING said:
No, not assurance of salvation, but the means of salvation. Salvation has always been by faith, O.T. and N.T.
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Ignatius
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It is particularly mind boggling in light of the words of Paul.
*1 Corinthians 15:2
“By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain.”
Hebrews 4:1, 11
“Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it* . . . Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.”
*Galatians 5:19-20
“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the *kingdom of God.”
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It is so clear throughout all of Scripture, yet they just choose to ignore it.
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Catholic_Dude
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This is classic, it shows how protestants dont read in contex and as a result misunderstand the Bible. I love this passage because it doesnt say what they think:
27 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” 29 And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 and brought them out and said, “Men, what must I do to be saved?”
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house, and set food before them;** and he rejoiced with all his household that he had believed in God.** Acts16
Notice how Batism was so important they went out at midnight and were Baptized, and NOTICE when the man rejoiced because he believed AFTER he was Baptized. There is more to “believing” than what Protestants think
27 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” 29 And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 and brought them out and said, “Men, what must I do to be saved?”
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house, and set food before them;** and he rejoiced with all his household that he had believed in God.** Acts16
Notice how Batism was so important they went out at midnight and were Baptized, and NOTICE when the man rejoiced because he believed AFTER he was Baptized. There is more to “believing” than what Protestants think
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