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Is Adam and Eve figurative? What does that mean?
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Is Adam and Eve figurative? What does that mean?
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What scholars would those be? Could you name one or two of them?The writer of Genesis presents the story as history, this is confirmed by Hebrew and language scholars.
I don’t think that helps your case at all, since these other accounts are not seen as history but rather as myth.The similarity it has to other accounts from the Middle Eastern region to the Australian aboriginies to the Native Americans and Ancient Chinese suggests that these accounts really did happen.
Professor James Barr, an Oxford Hebrew Scholar. He does not believe Genesis, but knows what the Hebrew is trying to say. To quote him…What scholars would those be? Could you name one or two of them?
Many people today see the gospels as mythical too. Are they right?I don’t think that helps your case at all, since these other accounts are not seen as history but rather as myth.
“myth” doesn’t necessarily mean “made up” or “untrue”…………Many people today see the gospels as mythical too. Are they right?
OR it means that floods are relatively common, devastating, and frightening eventsThe fact that so many different cultures have startingly similar creation and flood accounts tells us that they refer to a simlar past event that all these various people experienced in the past. ………
Steve Andersen said:“myth” doesn’t necessarily mean “made up” or “untrue”
myth merely describes a type of story used to explain a worldview or set of values.
Granted various religions and cultures would deal with common problems that plague everyone. So are accounts of building a boat to escape a catastrophic flood, or similar creation accounts of two people and a fall, or the curious fact that the ancient Chinese alphabet can be shown to derive key words from the Genesis story… merely be coincidence? Can these really be chance given their startling common storylines? Perhaps it might, I’m not saying that floods and obviously boats to avoid it and other stuff doesn’t occur. I’m simply asking what are the odds of different cultures around the world coming up with very similar creation stories? Where can a commoness from that grow? Simply saying they also experience floods etc. doesn’t tell me how the stories would be similar. There are many possible solutions or creative ways of dealing with the situation of floods, forget about God creating the first man and woman. The only explanation for this is a common original story that as people grew apart due to oral tradition and the passage of time would become less accurate than the actual event. In other words, as said, they’d become myths!OR it means that floods are relatively common, devastating, and frightening events
Especially for agricultural counties which are, by their nature, very concerned with the right amount of rain falling.
It shouldn’t be surprising that they. Like war, childbirth, betrayal, love, loss, and a host of other powerful events and feelings of the human condition appear in religious works and folk tales worldwide
nopeA myth, is usually defined as a purely fictitious narrative. …
You would do well to learn what parts of Genesis you are allowed to declare as “purely figurative”. The church has defined quite a bit of doctrine from Genesis. Take, for example, these harsh words delivered to us from the Council of Trent:The Adam and Eve Original Sin story is figurative, probably purely figurative.
In reading Trent’s words, we Catholics must realize that even Trent was being interpretive. First, do you think that though we see “Adam” in the anathema declaration, Trent considered that there was an individual named “Adam,” whose name in Hebrew means “red [clay]”?You would do well to learn what parts of Genesis you are allowed to declare as “purely figurative”. The church has defined quite a bit of doctrine from Genesis. Take, for example, these harsh words delivered to us from the Council of Trent:
“If anyone does not confess that the first man, Adam, when he transgressed the commandment of God in paradise, immediately lost the holiness and justice in which he had been constituted, and through the offense of that prevarication incurred the wrath and indignation of god, and thus death with which God had previously threatened him, and, together with death, captivity under his power who thenceforth had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil, and that the entire Adam through that offense of prevarication was changed in body and soul for the worse, let him be anathema.”
Well it says right there that Adam is a man. His name meaning ‘red clay’ as he was formed from the ground. Has the current Pope denied the existence of a real Adam and his responsibility for sin?In reading Trent’s words, we Catholics must realize that even Trent was being interpretive. First, do you think that though we see “Adam” in the anathema declaration, Trent considered that there was an individual named “Adam,” whose name in Hebrew means “red [clay]”?
Also, do you think that Trent thought that this “Adam” lived in a perfect physical place on physical Earth, and that this is the unchangeable, solemn teaching of the Magisterium?
If you do, then you should also think that we should get a new pope, because he, too, is “anathema.”
Relax, anathema thrower.
Surely you’re not saying that it is Catholic article of faith that Moses edited the Epic of Gilgamesh.It is an article of faith for us to believe that Moses wrote Genesis under the inspiration of God and therefore edited the Gilgamesh epic and others whcih he would have had access to, being a prince in Egypt, and gave us the true account while all the others suffered corruption down the ages, likely due to the Babel incident.
No, I’m saying it’s an article of faith that the writers of the Bible wrote under the Inspiration of God.Surely you’re not saying that it is Catholic article of faith that Moses edited the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Well, the current pope reportedly believes in evolution. He probably wouldn’t go for the “Adam” or “clay” business.Well it says right there that Adam is a man. His name meaning ‘red clay’ as he was formed from the ground. Has the current Pope denied the existence of a real Adam and his responsibility for sin?