Adam and Eve

[rdscheirer]

Your question has an answer like the question-"When(if) you get to heaven will you have to go “outside” to have a smoke?

 

[grannymh]

Sorry about that, re-read and found it. Still, the article on the Vatican website deviates from the Bible:

“While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage.”

What happened to God creating Adam from dust and Eve from Adam’s rib. Here we have a picture being painted of Adam and Eve as some kind of humaniods decending from apes.

God Bless

Your quote is from section 63. “According to the widely accepted scientific account…”
This whole section is about current research. It is not Vatican teachings.

FYI The reference to Africa refers to a migration to other parts of the world.

 

[Crumpy]

What wouldve happened if only Eve ate the forbidden fruit and Adam said no to eating it?

Would Eve have died and God created another women?

I forget how the NT addresses this sort of speculative question but the NT’s point is, don’t worry about it.

 

[Insight]

I’m glad Augustine is not infallible.

The same concept is in the writings of St. Bridget, from dictations she received from Jesus, which have been approved.

God Bless

 

[Ahimsa]

The same concept is in the writings of St. Bridget, from dictations she received from Jesus, which have been approved.

God Bless

No matter what private revelations a saint may have received, Catholics are not obligated to believe in them in a literal fashion:

“Even when a ‘private revelation’ has spread to the entire world, as in the case of Our Lady of Lourdes, and has been recognized in the liturgical calendar, the Church does not make mandatory the acceptance either of the original story or of particular forms of piety springing from it.
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Even with such strong signs of papal support the Church still stands by the rules set down in the eighteenth century by Pope Benedict XIV that “assent to apparitions is of human faith, following the rules of prudence.” We give divine faith to public revelation, where the Church teaches infallibly; for private revelations, as in apparitions, only human faith is involved. The recipient of the extraordinary experience may be bound in conscience by divine faith because of the immediacy of the happening, though even here, as we know from St. Teresa of Jesus, the visionary must submit his or her judgement to the authority of the Church, by way of a confessor or spiritual advisor, or by way of the bishop.”

 

[Insight]

No matter what private revelations a saint may have received, Catholics are not obligated to believe in them in a literal fashion:

“Even when a ‘private revelation’ has spread to the entire world, as in the case of Our Lady of Lourdes, and has been recognized in the liturgical calendar, the Church does not make mandatory the acceptance either of the original story or of particular forms of piety springing from it.
…
Even with such strong signs of papal support the Church still stands by the rules set down in the eighteenth century by Pope Benedict XIV that “assent to apparitions is of human faith, following the rules of prudence.” We give divine faith to public revelation, where the Church teaches infallibly; for private revelations, as in apparitions, only human faith is involved. The recipient of the extraordinary experience may be bound in conscience by divine faith because of the immediacy of the happening, though even here, as we know from St. Teresa of Jesus, the visionary must submit his or her judgement to the authority of the Church, by way of a confessor or spiritual advisor, or by way of the bishop.”

At least the concept floated by Saint Augustine and Saint Bridget maintain that there was a real Adam and a real Eve.

God Bless

 

[Ahimsa]

At least the concept floated by Saint Augustine and Saint Bridget maintain that there was a real Adam and a real Eve.

God Bless

Yes, and that is what the Catholic Church teaches: that Adam and Eve were real individuals.

 

[Dorothy]

No Fall. Adam is the exclusive head of the human family with particular responsibilities (Gen. 2:15) beyond that of his mate. It is from Adam’s sin that Our Lord as the New Adam comes to redeem us. Adam’s choice to join his wife in sin broke the final link in the Covenant between humanity and God. The Son of God mirrors the type of Adam; as the New Adam, He is the priest of the New Covenant. Adam in his human perfection could have made an acceptable sacrifice for his wife to be admitted back into friendship with God.

I went on a four-day silent ladies treat several years ago and our excellent retreat master explained what you mentioned above. If Adam had not succumbed to Eve’s suggestion and used the authority of his headship to guide her, there would have been no Fall.

The entire retreat was awesome.