Adoration, or something similar? Non-Catholic Christians please Chime in....

[JonNC]

Thankyou and may God continue to so bless you

***My understanding is that only the Methotist church [outside the embrace of the Catholic Church] claims this belief, and they are wrong in doing so as they do not have [impossible to obtain some 1,700 years later] direct Apolostolic Succession.

The common belief is “a reminder,” “a symbol”, “a sign”, and for them they are correct; that is all they have. Catholics have the Real Physical Christ, really, truly and substanually present to us in His Live Glorified Bosy. Amen:thumbsup: ***

Love and prayers,

Blessings to you, as well.
Actually, outside the Catholic embrace, as you say, there are numerous - Orthodox, PNCC, most Anglicans and Methodists, and all Lutherans (some who have Apostolic Succession).

Apology of the Augsburg Confession:

…we confess that we believe, that in the Lord’s Supper the body and blood of Christ are truly and substantially present, and are truly tendered, with those things which are seen, bread and wine, to those who receive the Sacrament. This belief we constantly defend, as the subject has been carefully examined and considered. For since Paul says, 1 Cor. 10:16, that the bread is the communion of the Lord’s body, etc., it would follow, if the Lord’s body were not truly present, that the bread is not a communion of the body, but only of the spirit of Christ. 55] And we have ascertained that not only the Roman Church affirms the bodily presence of Christ, but the Greek Church also both now believes, and formerly believed, the same. For the canon of the Mass among them testifies to this, in which the priest clearly prays that the bread may be changed and become the very body of Christ. And Vulgarius, who seems to us to be not a silly writer, says distinctly that bread is not a mere figure, but 56] is truly changed into flesh.

Sorry to the OP, if off the topic of Eucharistic Adoration.

Jon

 

[SonofMonica]

The light indicated the Blessed Body was present, not the host.

You can find monstrances, scheduled Bendiction and Adoration, etc. at various Anglican parishes, Anglicans being what they are.

GKC

Sorry, GKC, I didn’t mean to be offensive. I would have said “host” even if I was talking about a Catholic church’s tabernacle. “Host” may not be correct terminology after consecration, but I did not mean any slight by the usage of the term.

With all due respect to you and Our Lord’s Body.

 

[GKC]

Sorry, GKC, I didn’t mean to be offensive. I would have said “host” even if I was talking about a Catholic church’s tabernacle. “Host” may not be correct terminology after consecration, but I did not mean any slight by the usage of the term.

With all due respect to you and Our Lord’s Body.

I am sometimes too touchy. You are very gracious.

GKC

 

[masuwerte]

My Episcopal parish has time set aside for Adoration, and I go often. I think contemplative prayer in the presence of the Eucharist is a wonderful thing, and I wish more of my co-religionists would take advantage of the opportunity.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

My Episcopal parish has time set aside for Adoration, and I go often. I think contemplative prayer in the presence of the Eucharist is a wonderful thing, and I wish more of my co-religionists would take advantage of the opportunity.

Interesting masuwerte. If you don’t mind the question; would the lack of Eucharistic Adoration be grounds for you to seek a different Episcopalian Parish? Just curious.

God bless

 

[PJM]

=Roman_Catholic;5494380]I am assuming that “this belief” you are referring to is the belief in the Real Presence? If it is; Anglicans and Lutherans (as well as Methodists too) believe in the Real Presence.

God bless you

*** Apprantely I was unclear in my post?

I am aware that other Christians believe what thee Bible says about the “Real Presence”, and believe in it’s reality.

The point that I was gently trying to make is the “belief” is only the necessary first step. In on order for belief to be actualized, one must be a Catholic, as Catholics alone have the mandate and authority from Christ through direct Apolostolic Succession, to through the Holy Spirit; make Jesus truly Present

Sorry about the confussion.***

 

[GKC]

*** Apprantely I was unclear in my post?

I am aware that other Christians believe what thee Bible says about the “Real Presence”, and believe in it’s reality.

The point that I was gently trying to make is the “belief” is only the necessary first step. In on order for belief to be actualized, one must be a Catholic, as Catholics alone have the mandate and authority from Christ through direct Apolostolic Succession, to through the Holy Spirit; make Jesus truly Present

Sorry about the confussion.***

Though an Anglican, I, for one, am not confused (on this subject, anyway).

• Apostolicae Curae* is a hobby of mine; what you say, all RCS should affirm. OTOH, Anglicans have a different view of the matter (so to speak).

GKC

 

[masuwerte]

Interesting masuwerte. If you don’t mind the question; would the lack of Eucharistic Adoration be grounds for you to seek a different Episcopalian Parish? Just curious.

God bless

I hadn’t really thought about that. I guess not. I suppose I could always go to adoration at one of the local Catholic parishes .

 

[fishisgood]

I recently was on vacation in Key West and walked past an Episcople church that said come inside for eucharistic adoration and meditative prayer… or somthing similar to that. It seemed very welcoming and it threw me off (not that it was welcoming but the adoration part) I thought at first glance it was Catholic… Incidently I went to daily Mass at St Mary Star of the Sea… open air Catholic Church… awsome experience.

 

[JonNC]

=PJM;5499701] Apprantely I was unclear in my post?

I think the first line, "*My understanding is that only the Methotist church [outside the embrace of the Catholic Church] claims this belief,… * was the cause of the confusion.

I am aware that other Christians believe what thee Bible says about the “Real Presence”, and believe in it’s reality.
The point that I was gently trying to make is the “belief” is only the necessary first step. In on order for belief to be actualized, one must be a Catholic, as Catholics alone have the mandate and authority from Christ through direct Apolostolic Succession, to through the Holy Spirit; make Jesus truly Present

As you are aware, there are many of us that respectfully disagree with this, inside and outside of apostolic succession.

Jon

 

[Roy5]

Methodists and Adoration

Where did this notion get started that Methodists have Adoration of the Eucharist or believe in the real presence? Both of these are misperceptions.

 I have been involved in Methodist churches (also in Presbyterian and Congregationalist churches) as I moved because of career from one community to another. (Often the number of churches in smaller communities is limited.) The three denominations, as some may know, have merged in Canada into the United Church of Canada and are in a similiar arrangement in Australia (Church of Christ Uniting or some such name). There is a tiny group within Methodism known as the Order of St. Luke that pushes for more liturgy ala the Episcopalians - Methodism was first organized by John Wesley, an Anglican priest. But this group has no significant influence within all but a wee handful of the 35,000 United Methodist churches in the USA. (There are about 10,000 other US Methodist churches that are not part of the United Methodist Church.) There's an old expression that if you take an Episcopalian and a Baptist and put them in a burlap bag, then shake well, they would come out as two Methodists. 

  Article XVIII of the Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church states in part:

  "Transubstantiation, or the change of the substance of bread and wine in the Supper of our Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ, but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, overthroweth the nature of the sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions.

   "The body of Christ is given, taken and eaten in the Supper, only after a heavenly and spiritual manner. And the means whereby the body is received and eaten in the Supper is faith. 

    "**The Sacrament of the Lord's Supper was not by Christ's ordinance reserved, carried about, lifted up or worshiped."**

Article XIV is brief but also informative.

    "The Romish doctrine concerning purgatory, pardon, worshiping and adoration, as well of images as of relics, and also invocation of saints, is a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warrant of Scripture, but repugnant to thew Word of God."

  So, any suggestions that Methodism has Adoration of the Eucharist, etc., seem to be clearly false.

   God bless Catholics, Protestants and decent God-loving people of all faiths. May religion become a bridge rather than a barrier!

 

[Religio71]

Orthodox do not have Adoration, at least outside of the Divine Liturgy. Seems to be another example of the doctrinal development issue.

 

[1edyson]

Methodists and Adoration

Where did this notion get started that Methodists have Adoration of the Eucharist or believe in the real presence? Both of these are misperceptions.

 I have been involved in Methodist churches (also in Presbyterian and Congregationalist churches) as I moved because of career from one community to another. (Often the number of churches in smaller communities is limited.) The three denominations, as some may know, have merged in Canada into the United Church of Canada and are in a similiar arrangement in Australia (Church of Christ Uniting or some such name). There is a tiny group within Methodism known as the Order of St. Luke that pushes for more liturgy ala the Episcopalians - Methodism was first organized by John Wesley, an Anglican priest. But this group has no significant influence within all but a wee handful of the 35,000 United Methodist churches in the USA. (There are about 10,000 other US Methodist churches that are not part of the United Methodist Church.) There's an old expression that if you take an Episcopalian and a Baptist and put them in a burlap bag, then shake well, they would come out as two Methodists. 

  Article XVIII of the Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church states in part:

  "Transubstantiation, or the change of the substance of bread and wine in the Supper of our Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ, but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, overthroweth the nature of the sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions.

   "The body of Christ is given, taken and eaten in the Supper, only after a heavenly and spiritual manner. And the means whereby the body is received and eaten in the Supper is faith. 

    "**The Sacrament of the Lord's Supper was not by Christ's ordinance reserved, carried about, lifted up or worshiped."**

Article XIV is brief but also informative.

    "The Romish doctrine concerning purgatory, pardon, worshiping and adoration, as well of images as of relics, and also invocation of saints, is a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warrant of Scripture, but repugnant to thew Word of God."

  So, any suggestions that Methodism has Adoration of the Eucharist, etc., seem to be clearly false.

   God bless Catholics, Protestants and decent God-loving people of all faiths. May religion become a bridge rather than a barrier!

Does this article vary from Methodist Church to Methodist Church?

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Methodists and Adoration

Where did this notion get started that Methodists have Adoration of the Eucharist or believe in the real presence? Both of these are misperceptions.

 I have been involved in Methodist churches (also in Presbyterian and Congregationalist churches) as I moved because of career from one community to another. (Often the number of churches in smaller communities is limited.) The three denominations, as some may know, have merged in Canada into the United Church of Canada and are in a similiar arrangement in Australia (Church of Christ Uniting or some such name). There is a tiny group within Methodism known as the Order of St. Luke that pushes for more liturgy ala the Episcopalians - Methodism was first organized by John Wesley, an Anglican priest. But this group has no significant influence within all but a wee handful of the 35,000 United Methodist churches in the USA. (There are about 10,000 other US Methodist churches that are not part of the United Methodist Church.) There's an old expression that if you take an Episcopalian and a Baptist and put them in a burlap bag, then shake well, they would come out as two Methodists. 

  Article XVIII of the Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church states in part:

  "Transubstantiation, or the change of the substance of bread and wine in the Supper of our Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ, but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, overthroweth the nature of the sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions.

   "The body of Christ is given, taken and eaten in the Supper, only after a heavenly and spiritual manner. And the means whereby the body is received and eaten in the Supper is faith. 

    "**The Sacrament of the Lord's Supper was not by Christ's ordinance reserved, carried about, lifted up or worshiped."**

Article XIV is brief but also informative.

    "The Romish doctrine concerning purgatory, pardon, worshiping and adoration, as well of images as of relics, and also invocation of saints, is a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warrant of Scripture, but repugnant to thew Word of God."

  So, any suggestions that Methodism has Adoration of the Eucharist, etc., seem to be clearly false.

   God bless Catholics, Protestants and decent God-loving people of all faiths. May religion become a bridge rather than a barrier!

Roy you and I have already discussed this. The Methodist Church does not teach Transubstantiation. It does not teach Purgatory nor does it teach (to my knowledge) Eucharistic Adoration. However it does teach a physical Presence of Christ in their Eucharist. Just because you taught it wrong in your classes does not make it right. Your own quote that your provided shows that they believe they are eating the flesh and blood of Christ:

"The body of Christ is given, taken and eaten in the Supper, only after a heavenly and spiritual manner. And the means whereby the body is received and eaten in the Supper is faith.

Here is another from the Methodist GBOD:

Jesus Christ, who "is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of God's very being" (Hebrews 1:3),** is truly present in Holy Communion. **Through Jesus Christ and in the power of the Holy Spirit, God meets us at the Table. God, who has given the sacraments to the church, acts in and through Holy Communion. Christ is present through the community gathered in Jesus' name (Matthew 18:20), through the Word proclaimed and enacted, and through the elements of bread and wine shared (1 Corinthians 11:23-26).** The divine presence is a living reality and can be experienced by participants; it is not a remembrance of the Last Supper and the Crucifixion only.**[8]

And here is what the celebrating minister prays during service:

Pour out your Holy Spirit on us gathered here, and on these gifts of bread and wine. Make them be for us the body and blood of Christ, that we may be for the world the body of Christ, redeemed by his blood.

You are confusing Transubstantiation and the Real Presence. One can believe in the Real Presence and yet not affirm Transubstantiation. You have even had a practicing Methodist on this forum correct you on this. How many times are you and I going to go over this?

God bless