Adult daughter leads immoral life

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We have a 32 year old daughter who as a child, was a kind hearted, sweet, caring gentle person. She was painfully shy when young and had lots of anxieties and fears but wanted very much to have an “exciting” life and be popular.
She left home and moved in with a boyfriend after her first semester of college and then dropped out of college a year later. Though he came from a good family, he was emotionally abusive, mentally ill, alcoholic, and was able to manipulate her (she adopted his immoral lifestyle). She left him a year later and then met another, similar man, who she married. He also came from a well to do family. We found out later that he was a drug abuser and physically and emotionally abused her. Her drinking increased during her marriage (although she denied it, she also used drugs).
After she divorced him, we supported her financially and paid her tuition so she could finish college. She began to take advantage of our help (began regularly charging huge amounts on the credit card we gave her for emergencies only). She graduated from college but never looked for a job afterward (she kept working as a waitress).
It seems as if she has given up and now makes no attempt to try to lead a “normal” life. She “dates” wealthy men who give her money when she needs it. She rarely works and has no ambition or goals. She goes to restaurant bars several nights a week and her evenings are based on drinking as entertainment.
Some nights she calls when she has been drinking and slurs so much she can’t be understood (I have started turning the ringers on my phone to silent at 7 pm because I find it too emotionally draining to get late evening calls from her).
I have tried to focus on her good qualities when I talk with her and try to get her to think about working toward life goals (she agrees this is a good idea, but does nothing). I have mailed her lots of self help books. I continue to make “moral” observations about the situations she gets herself into and though she may agree, she never makes any positive changes in her life. She does not have any interest in going to church or going to AA. She does not have any health insurance (to pay for counseling, and she says she doesn’t need it). When she called last weekend she sounded high or drunk and we told her she needed help. She said she is taking anti-anxiety medication now (she must have acquired it illegally as she didn’t go to a Dr).
My heart aches for her and the path she is walking down.
 
I am sorry for you and your family. Things like this are never easy.

I hope this does not sound harsh, please know that it comes from experience.
While she is your daughter, is she also an adult, and as painful as it is to watch, she is allowed to make what you consider bad decisions. Until she reaches her bottom, your daughter will not change. She can’t, because she sees nothing wrong with what she is doing, and nothing you do is ever going to change that.

Do what you can. Change how you interact with her. Not answering her calls when she is intoxicated is a good start. I also suggest Al-Anon or Nar-Anon. Both are for people who are dealing with another persons addiction issues. There you will find support from others who know what you are going through, and you will learn things that will help you to best help your daughter.

And always remember the Serenity prayer-
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference. Amen.

Peace be with you. I will add you & our family to my prayer intentions tonight.
 
I am sorry for you and your family. Things like this are never easy.

I hope this does not sound harsh, please know that it comes from experience.
While she is your daughter, is she also an adult, and as painful as it is to watch, she is allowed to make what you consider bad decisions. Until she reaches her bottom, your daughter will not change. She can’t, because she sees nothing wrong with what she is doing, and nothing you do is ever going to change that.

Do what you can. Change how you interact with her. Not answering her calls when she is intoxicated is a good start. I also suggest Al-Anon or Nar-Anon. Both are for people who are dealing with another persons addiction issues. There you will find support from others who know what you are going through, and you will learn things that will help you to best help your daughter.

And always remember the Serenity prayer-
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference. Amen.

Peace be with you. I will add you & our family to my prayer intentions tonight.
Excellent advice!

I have a similar story, although it has not got this bad (yet). I have two daughters who were both delightful as children, religious, cheerful and studious. Both are now in their late twenties. Once is self sufficient, but drifts without any moral compass, and the other is a spendthrift who works hard at menial jobs and parties hard. I have a little contact with them, but not much. The second one drinks too much, and uses some drugs. I always fear things will get worse rather than better.

Ignuta, her daughter, and her family are in my prayers too.

~ Edmundus
 
i am very sorry that you are gong through this. Please make contact with Al-Anon. As a family member of an alcohol abuser, you need your own support system and people who can help you through this.
 
I will offer you my prayers. Apart from what the others have said, you should also consider submitting a prayer petition to a Church (or online to a monastery, a convent or such).
 
I was that child (but worse with drugs and not sexually immoral); I am now a seminarian, sober for four years. She needs AA, a shrink, a maintenance program, or a detox (depending on what she’s addicted to and for how long). Probably at least one drug program and a shrink, the shrink for sex issues.

You don’t get sober on your own, and where you end depends on where you start - many parents think the “start” was in childhood, so the end should be good; but for many of the delinquents, including myself, the “start” was with drugs, so the end should be bad. For your daughter, the “start” may have been loose sex, drugs, or abuse, which, until between her and God (with the help of a shrink) she gets her head in the right place, is going to determine her trajectory from here on out.

IME AA is better than NA even if she’s addicted to Narcotics. AA can get a little bit cult-like (you need to watch out for it, especially if you’re a woman: look up “thirteenth step”), but NA is out-of-this world; the blue book (the NA equivalent to the Big Book) is read out to open every meeting, it’s quoted left and right, it’s used to bless meals: it’s treated as a Scripture.

Plus, the Big Book talks to you as a human being, but a drunkard, but more as a human being: you can get a drunk to read it, and the first 132 pages (the program) can be funny. It’s a good story, a good system, a good lead-in and segue to recovery. It doesn’t preach, and places a heavy emphasis on the human element. The Blue Book (I believe they call it the Basic Text) talks to you like a condescending shrink, and treats you like a cog in a machine, with a very sterile “overbearing social worker” way of talking (it was written in the Therapy Culture of the 1970s or 80s instead of the 1930s like the Big Book), and has no human element in it at all. It’s like an overbearing preacher who is a horrible rhetorician preaching the gospel of Prohibition, drawn straight out of Boardwalk Empire.

The Big Book is like another fellow-addict talking about how he screwed his life up and how he was able to straighten it out a little bit. (It doesn’t preach nearly as hard a line as NA either, so many addicts are more open to it.)
 
Saint Monica, prayed for her husband and son and her sons became a saint. Find out about her.

Also, find out about saint Rita, she was married to a very abusive husband and his family were no pick nick. Short story, she helped two family that killed each others to make peace and she conquered violence through prayer.

All i can say, i feel for you and it must be very hard, but have faith. Guide her the best you can, she needs a lot of love and but don’t cease to pray for her. Pray for all the men also that were in their life. When she is ready, she will go back to Jesus. I find praying the Rosary and asking her to help with my family and others, has been constant miracles and wonders.

I pray for you and your family!
 
I am so relieved to read that people understand and am comforted by so many people taking the time to offer helpful suggestions and insight. .

Thank you for caring.
 
Honestly, all you can do is not enable her behavior, and hold a mirror up whenever she’s sober enough, long enough, to recognize what she’s becoming. Once she says she thinks she might have a drinking/drug problem, then you have an opening to get her to an AA meeting. Until then, you’ll probably be wasting your breath talking about AA to a person who is convinced they are controlling their behavior.

I don’t know where you live, but not all AA groups are the same. I’d shoot for one with lots of older, sober women. I find these mostly gather in suburban areas and meet in churches. You can actually go and check it out first if its an open meeting.

Food for thought.
 
I don’t know where you live, but not all AA groups are the same. I’d shoot for one with lots of older, sober women. I find these mostly gather in suburban areas and meet in churches. You can actually go and check it out first if its an open meeting.

Food for thought.
I second this, especially if one can find easily a women’s-only meeting, then the “thirteenth stepping” is all but irrelevant (except for lesbians). Having some of her peer group and/or recently sober people around can be helpful, but, if the meeting is dominated by such types, it can easily turn in to the perfect storm for making more drug connections and meeting more users, who push each other in to relapse. In mixed meetings, it’s a common occurrence.

Any meeting is generally better than no meeting, but, pursuant to some of the above concerns (thirteenth-stepping, all-recently-sober, misery loves company types of relapses), some require more discretion than others, and a stronger “will”, so to speak (not in regards to drugs, which no addict can have): a woman who is an addict and in withdrawals or delirium tremens, or has just got out of withdrawals, has an extremely messed-up brain chemistry, and is not in her right mind; combine this with previous behavior, and some trash at some meetings will be more than happy to see her right back in to her old behaviour for their own gratification.

A shrink is also valuable, if you can afford one (find one that’s decent - not all are created equal - some cheap, sliding-scale ones are good, some expensive ones are bad, and I personally would probably find a Catholic one, but the three who got me sober include a liberal of unknown religious persuasion, an evangelical Protestant and a Greek Orthodox respectively), as you can generally get someone to see a shrink for some tangential reason (anxiety, in this situation, maybe), nothing to do with drugs or sexual problems, and the shrink can (as it is his training) then nudge the conversations and sessions in the right direction, hopefully eventually causing what they call “introspection” or something similar (an awareness of how one’s mind can be unreliable, and can mislead one), which is similar, or leads to the first and fourth steps of AA.
 
I am so relieved to read that people understand and am comforted by so many people taking the time to offer helpful suggestions and insight. .

Thank you for caring.
Find an Al-Anon meeting near you (or wherever) and attend. Go to several different meetings - although they are similar in structure, they are each a little different in character. You will hear your story coming from other people, you will get support, and gain tools to live a serene and happy life no matter what your daughter is doing.

Al-Anon/Alateen

You can’t drag her into AA, but it’s not unusual for an alcoholic/addict to finally want recovery once his/her family is recovering.
 
I hope I don’t offend but pushing self help books and trying to discretely impose your faith(AA is known for this) by giving these types of recommendations is only going to push her away and show that you are out of touch with her. Taking a moral high ground by pointing out the immoral acts she is taking part in isn’t going to help your case either.

If you want her to respect you and see you in the way I am assuming you are, you have to let her know that you can listen. Don’t impose or tell her how to correct. if that is what she wants she will come to you.

I don’t want to pretend I have the answers for you. But I can say as a man that had to pull myself out of my own messes that all I ever really wanted was someone who could listen and understand and give advice only when I asked for it. Its selfish but it works.
 
It sounds like your daughter needs to hit rock bottom. My advice is stop giving her money, credit cards or paying for anything(including offers of counseling or any medical expenses). Be there to listen IF she calls you. Stop sending self help books and as others said, attend Alanon. At this point, you can do nothing but fast and pray for her and offer advice if she asks for it. Any financial assist will only fund the very lifestyle that you disapprove of. Be kind and loving , but firm. Offer prayers on the CAF prayer intention thread…wonderful people there! I will prayer for you and your daughter.
 
I agree with Giannawannabe.

Your daughter has to hit bottom and choose for herself to be sober.

It might take an intervention and pointing out how her behavior affects everyone in the family/friends circle for her to see that people really are bothered and worried because of her behavior.

Getting support for yourself is a great idea.

Also, Lets_Evolve is right about sending the self-help books. Just stop sending them. We know you mean well and love your daughter, but that’s the kind of thing that pushes people further way.
 
Wanted to let all who posted with the suggestion for me to stop trying to convince/change/correct/control my daughter’s life choices and focus on myself.

Instead of continuing to send her the self help books, I began reading them myself (though I could only read a little at a time, as the material was so painful in its relevance). I realized I have been enabling and had been in complete denial about what was going on for a long time.

It took me two months, but a month ago I began participating in an online AlAnon group. What a lot I have learned. The Serenity Prayer soothes and guides me. I am only at Step 1 (I realize I am powerless over her use of alcohol) but it is a step in the right direction.

Thank you all who supported me.
 
Thank you for the update! I have wondered how things were going. God bless you and give you small consolations every day so you know He is hearing you. Continued prayers for you and your daughter.
 
Wanted to let all who posted with the suggestion for me to stop trying to convince/change/correct/control my daughter’s life choices and focus on myself.

Instead of continuing to send her the self help books, I began reading them myself (though I could only read a little at a time, as the material was so painful in its relevance). I realized I have been enabling and had been in complete denial about what was going on for a long time.

It took me two months, but a month ago I began participating in an online AlAnon group. What a lot I have learned. The Serenity Prayer soothes and guides me. I am only at Step 1 (I realize I am powerless over her use of alcohol) but it is a step in the right direction.

Thank you all who supported me.
Oh thank you for letting us know! :love::love: If you can go to a meeting in your area, I’m sure you would also find it helpful. There is something so uplifting about hearing others’ experience, strength and hope and getting their HUGS! Plus you will need a sponsor and that really should be someone you can meet with to go over your step work.

Many Al-Anons say we are also powerless over “people, places and things” in our lives - the first step is not just about alcohol for many of us. There are so many tools in Al-Anon - tools I didn’t get while growing up. It really helps me live a happier and more sane life in general.
 
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