All loving God?

[abb]

I’ve been thinking about this for quite sometime and it’s come down to me really questioning my faith and belief in God all together.

This question probably generates from me not fully understanding free will. I don’t know really where to start so I’ll just tell you what goes through my head:

If there is a God and he is ALL loving, and ALL knowing (might not be true, just what I assume), why would he allow to create someone LOVING them and KNOWING that they will goto hell(since there are obviously people that go there)?

If the question is not clear enough, let me know, and thanks.

-Andrew

 

[kepha1]

Eph. 1:5 - Paul teaches that God “predestined” us in love to be His sons through Jesus Christ. “Predestination” means that God knows what we will do before we do it (it does not mean that God determines what we do; otherwise, we would have no freewill). Predestination is taken from the Greek word “prooridzo” which means to know or declare in advance by God’s foreknowledge. See, for example, 1 Peter 1:2 where Peter writes about the “elect according to the foreknowledge of God.” The terms “predestination” and “the elect” always refer to God’s knowledge (not human knowledge) because God is outside of time (and humans cannot predict the future). There are two types of “predestination,” to grace and to glory. In this verse, Paul is teaching about predestination to grace, which means becoming a Christian.

Eph. 1:5; 1 Peter 1:2; Rom. 8:29-30; 1 Cor. 15:49 - predestination is either to grace (which we could lose) or to glory (which we cannot lose). As alluded to above, some non-Catholics confuse the definition of “predestination” (which means God knows what we will do before we do it) and “predetermination” (the erroneous belief that God determines what we will do). But God does not author evil. We choose evil by our own freewill.

III. Predestination and the “Elect”
scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-III

 

[Mannyfit75]

I’ve been thinking about this for quite sometime and it’s come down to me really questioning my faith and belief in God all together.

This question probably generates from me not fully understanding free will. I don’t know really where to start so I’ll just tell you what goes through my head:

If there is a God and he is ALL loving, and ALL knowing (might not be true, just what I assume), why would he allow to create someone LOVING them and KNOWING that they will goto hell(since there are obviously people that go there)?

If the question is not clear enough, let me know, and thanks.

-Andrew

God did not send people to hell. It is the sin that brings people to hell. When people sin, they reject God. Hell was made for the fallen angels lead by Satan, who rebel against God. Likewise, those who are disobedient to God have the free will to do good, and do evil.

So when people sin, they themselves are responsible for going to hell. Not God.

 

[abb]

God did not send people to hell. It is the sin that brings people to hell. When people sin, they reject God. Hell was made for the fallen angels lead by Satan, who rebel against God. Likewise, those who are disobedient to God have the free will to do good, and do evil.

So when people sin, they themselves are responsible for going to hell. Not God.

You’re missing the point, if God knows everything, why would he create the people that dissobey him that are going to hell, when he is supposed to be all loving? Why is he creating people sending them to hell?

 

[wjp984]

God does not send people to Hell. People choose to reject God and therefore choose Hell. In fact, in my opinion, it might be out of God’s love (not that he would want it) that someone is sent to Hell. I’ll give you this example. Atheists go their whole lives not believing in God. They then die and are in Hell. Well they got exactly what they desired and believed in. For now there truly is no God for them since they will be in everlasting separation from God. That is what they believed in life and they get to be right after all. Of course God can still show mercy on them but I would conjecture that there are people that willingly will reject God even after death.

 

[Mannyfit75]

You’re missing the point, if God knows everything, why would he create the people that dissobey him that are going to hell, when he is supposed to be all loving? Why is he creating people sending them to hell?

Because people have the free will. God does know everything, he is also outside time. So he can know what will happen if people decide to reject God. He can see things we cannot see.

It is the people who send themselve to hell. You are missing the point because through sin, death came into the world. The fact that humanity since its fall has been the rejection of God.

Humanity does have hope. God gave us his son, so he can save us from our sins. God became man as Jesus Christ. He destroyed sin, and give humanity a chance to avoid hell. People have to reject him, or accept him.

When people reject Jesus, they reject God the Father. They reject the Father, they will be taken to hell.

It is not God’s way that they go to hell, but the people itself. Sinners have brought it upon themselve to go there. The worst thing is hell, is that God’s presence is not there. That what makes it worst for sinners in hell.

 

[Steven_Merten]

I’ve been thinking about this for quite sometime and it’s come down to me really questioning my faith and belief in God all together.

This question probably generates from me not fully understanding free will. I don’t know really where to start so I’ll just tell you what goes through my head:

If there is a God and he is ALL loving, and ALL knowing (might not be true, just what I assume), why would he allow to create someone LOVING them and KNOWING that they will goto hell(since there are obviously people that go there)?

If the question is not clear enough, let me know, and thanks.

-Andrew

Hello Andrew,

I think what you are asking is why did not God just create non-free willed saints in heaven and by pass all the hatred, sin and damnation on earth?

One cannot love without the option to choose not to love. One cannot be faithful to God without the option to choose unfaithfulness. One cannot be kind with out the option to choose not to be kind. This is why God allows free will. Both love for God and hatred sin and damnation flow out from man’s free will.

Man’s purpose in life is to love God. This is God’s great commandments in both, OT and NT.

The answer is clear. God puts gaining love for God from man above hatred, sin and damnation on earth.

Please visit: Choices Of The Heart

**NAB MAR 12 The Great Commandment. **

“Which is the first of all the commandments?” Jesus replied, "This is the first:
’Hear O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone!
Therefore you shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart,
with all your soul,
with all your mind,
and with all your strength.'
"This is the second,
’You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
NIV 1JO 5:3

This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.NIV JOH 14:15

"If you love me, you will obey what I command." **NAB JOH 15:22 **

“If I had not come to them and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; now, however, their sin cannot be excused. To hate me is to hate my Father. Had I not performed such works among them as no one has ever done before, they would not be guilty of sin; but as it is, they have seen, and they go on hating me and my Father.” NAB DEU 30:15 The Choice before Israel.

“Here then, I have today set before you life and prosperity, death and doom. If you obey the commandments of the LORD, your God, which I enjoin on you today, loving him, and walking in his ways, and keeping his commandments, statutes and decrees, you will live and grow numerous, and the LORD, your God, will bless you in the land you are entering to occupy.”

NAB 1CO 2:9 Of this wisdom it is written:

“Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it so much as dawned on man what God has prepared for those who love him.”

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Because:

1. Existence is ‘better than’ nonexistence.
2. Somehow, even if (sad thought) some choose to send themselves to hell, somehow their existence was ultimately for good, in some way we cannot know ourselves.
3. God ‘knows better’ than we do ourselves.